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anyone ?

noone ?

I see two ways of looking at it:
1) Since Noqual doesn't have the same explicit text clarifying the need for proficiency, you can consider proficiency to be one of the limitations it overcomes.

2) Since Mithral sets the precedent that "other limitations" does not include proficiency, Noqual should be treated the same.

When in doubt, you're better off going with the more conservative route.

Yep. That is why I made a post here to see if anyone could point to a official definite ruling on this. But so far there does not seem to be one.

I have seen it written somewhere in a thread with the celestial armor that if it was not stated that you needed the heavy armor proficiency then you did not need it. But there was nothing official that countered or apove the statement. And from the other threads there are about 3 threads that has anything to do with this material. So would be nice if somone could give a definite answer with a link if possible to another official ruling.

It's listed in the seccond darkness adventure path and the thornkeep modules for PFS

Noone that has a link to the official ruling ? I have looked. But I can not find any.

Cyberklad wrote:

You allso have the celestial plate armor. That one allso says threated as medium armor. But it is a sturdier version of the celestial armour so it would be made of the same material. Since the celestial armor is light. that one should be medium. And it uses the same synonym as the noqual. So ?? Would be nice if we could have an official ruling on this.

Where can I find the listing for "celestial plate armor"? I can't find it in the pfsrd to compare the wording.

It's listed in Pathfinder 11: Skeletons of Scarwall

There is an official ruling on it. Lord Pendragon explained it perfectly.

(That said, I'd houserule that it's just a category lighter period. I find that rule incredibly nitpicky.)

Do you know where the official ruling is ?

You allso have the celestial plate armor. That one allso says threated as medium armor. But it is a sturdier version of the celestial armour so it would be made of the same material. Since the celestial armor is light. that one should be medium. And it uses the same synonym as the noqual. So ?? Would be nice if we could have an official ruling on this.

Celestial Armor is specifically listed as being a light armor, despite being chainmail. So it follows all the rules of being a light armor. You only need light armor proficiency to wear it.

Noqual armor isn't the same. Heavy noqual armor is still heavy armor, which means you still have to have heavy armor proficiency, or suffer the non-proficiency penalties.

What it does mean is that for purposes of encumbrance, speed reductions, class abilities that are sometimes prevented by certain armor types, etc. consider it a medium armor. For instance, a barbarian wearing heavy noqual armor could still benefit from his speed increase, despite wearing heavy armor, because noqual heavy armor is considered medium for purposes of limitations.

As far as I can see from "This +3 chainmail is so fine and light that it can be worn under normal clothing without betraying its presence. It has a maximum Dexterity bonus of +8, an armor check penalty of –2, and an arcane spell failure chance of 15%. It is considered light armor and allows the wearer to use fly on command (as the spell) once per day." There is nothing in there that specifies it as a light armor. It only says that it is considered light armor. When you look at the quote from the noqual armor that one allso says that it is considered as one step lighter. Witch means that a heavy armor would be considered medium.

On mithral it specificly says that you need the proficiency. That is not stated on noqual. So that is why I'm asking for an official ruling.

I'm a bit dumbfounded when it comes to the rules about armour beeing threated as a category lighter. I see that mithral says that a heavy armor would need the heavy armor proficiency. The clelestial armour does not say it. When I read the description on noqual it says: "Noqual armor weighs half as much as other armors of its type, and is treated as one category lighter than normal for the purposes of movement and other limitations."

As I read that it pretty much states that a noqual full plate would be a medium armour as the celestial armour is a light armour even tho it's a chainmail. I have looked on the forum on this but I have not found any definate rulings. Can anyone help confirm or deny this ?

It allso says that Noqual increases the spell failure chance by 20% and gives +2 saves against spells or spell like effects. But it does not specify what happends when somone casts a buff on you ? As they have no save would they be unaffected ? So it's only bad when you are casting spells yourselfe?

I will have to drop to. So let mike shaw in.

Barbarian 2 probably soon 3. Willing to join.