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What happened to everyone? Nothing had been decided when I left.

It sounds to me as though you are trying to fix something that doesn't need fixing. If it isn't broken, don't fix it.

I see this discussion regarding Ninja's from this new book coming out called Ultimate Combat, and I feel that I need to make something clear. Ninja's won't replace Rogues, Ninjas ARE Rogues. Something else I can tell you is that with all of the Ninja Characters that I have played, they are never a base single class, it is always Ninja/something. They don't want people knowing they exist, and always strike from the shadows, never in a full on toe-to-toe with their opponents.

On a side note, this sounds like it is supposed to be for the Pathfinder RPG setting, which is a Fantasy setting. You add Gunpowder to it and it changes the game in unimaginable ways and it no longer stays a Fantasy setting after that. Now, if the Gunslinger were to use weapons like Cross-Bows, for example, then it stays in the realm of Fantasy. Trying to add Firearms into a Fantasy setting ruins it.

I don't really have any more time for this game so I guess I will say good bye and good luck.

Brian Leichty wrote:

It works well in games based in 3rd and 3.5, but is very difficult to convert to the Pathfinder system, as I have learned because I am playing one in a Play by Post game on here. The Skirmish ability that the Scout has is not really like a Sneak Attack like the Rogue gets because it was designed to add additional damage to targets that are in the Scout's line of attack, whereas Sneak Attack only works against a Single opponent.

Nothing in the description of the skirmish ability in Complete Adventurer mentions anything about the scout's "line of attack". Where are you getting this from?

Brian Leichty wrote:

And BTW, Skirmish only works with MELEE WEAPONS, not RANGED WEAPONS.

I don't know what rules you are using, but the description of the skirmish ability in Complete Adventurer clearly states:

Complete Adventurer wrote:

Scouts can apply this extra damage to ranged attacks made while skirmishing, but only if the target is within 30 feet.

Are you sure you aren't confusing the Scout class from Complete Adventurer with one from another source or possibly some DM's house rules?

How often are you going to be using a Ranged Weapon? More often than not, you are more than likely going to be using some sort of Melee Weapon. The only time you might use a Ranged Weapon would be if you had an enemy that was a good distance away and couldn't close the distance easily.

I am not confusing the Scout with anything else. There are no so-called "House rules" that I am basing this from. It has been over a year and a half since I have had to know this information, so I admit I may have forgotten some of it. But I am fairly certain that I am correct.

Brian Leichty wrote:

And BTW, Skirmish only works with MELEE WEAPONS, not RANGED WEAPONS.

Uh, no, wrong. Nowhere is the word "melee weapon" even mentioned in the Scout class entry. In fact, it explicitly says "Scouts can apply this extra damage to ranged attacks made while skirmishing, but only if the target is within 30 feet".

The book says,"She deals an extra 1d6 of damage on ALL attacks she makes during any round in which she moves at least 10 feet."

It says that the damage can be APPLIED with ranged weapons, but only if the target is within 30 feet of the person with the ranged weapon. There are lots of different ranged weapons, and they all have different ranges, but how often are you going to be using a ranged weapon. More often than not, you'll be using a Melee weapon of some sort.

The Scout class is a combination of three separate core classes; The Ranger, the Rogue, and the Monk. It was created for use in 3rd Edition to add flavor to the DM's game world. In a lot of respects, the Scout is a lot like the class that preceeds it in the Complete Adventurer, the Ninja. It works well in games based in 3rd and 3.5, but is very difficult to convert to the Pathfinder system, as I have learned because I am playing one in a Play by Post game on here. The Skirmish ability that the Scout has is not really like a Sneak Attack like the Rogue gets because it was designed to add additional damage to targets that are in the Scout's line of attack, whereas Sneak Attack only works against a Single opponent.

Skirmish also adds to the Scout's AC, thus making it more difficult to hit them. Also, it doesn't gain multiple attacks until later, as all D&D and Pathfinder Characters do.

The feats that the Scout gets are listed in the Complete Adventurer, but feats from other books, like the Players Handbook for example, can be selected if they make sense with what the player's character concept is. And BTW, Skirmish only works with MELEE WEAPONS, not RANGED WEAPONS.

PS For example three of the 10 or so games I have on other sites (plus the 5 games I'm in on This site) are Totally dragging. And I am very much into all of those 3 games. On one of the games no one else but me has posted for a month but the DM refuses to admit it's dead. It drives me crazy sometimes waiting for others to post even in the games that are moving along well.

There's No Way I'd be able to just play One game and always be waiting for just that one. So I do very much recommend getting into more games if you feel you're not getting the proper RPG fix ya need ;-)

I can't do more than 1 or 2 games at a time. I am presently in a Play by EMail game where something similar is happening. My regular gaming group that I play 3rd Edition(well, 3.5) with is on hiatus for awhile with the other folks doing their own things now. So, basically this is all I have for the time being. Which is why I would like to see more regular posting from folks instead of these posting spurts.

I was wondering about something. Why is it that you folks don't post your responses more frequently? It's like there will be new posts for one or two days and then there will be no new posts for awhile, and then more new posts that you put out in spurts now and then, but not on a regular basis. That makes it difficult for me to remember what it was my character is supposed to be doing when there is this great big gap in between postings.

Brian Leichty wrote:

That last part is a bit confusing. Could you please say it again and use punctuation to break up the sentence so it's easier to understand.

The armour your character is using only adds +2 to your Armour class and not +6 which is the maximum bonus your character's Dexterity modifier can add to your AC and yes my punctuation stinks!

By the way Bogorin is about to find his way to where your character is currently located so I'll introduce you with a post from your character's point of view and go from there.

Leafy's introduction

I was talking about the +1 +3 bit.

Brian Leichty wrote:

In answer to you question, I put points into Acrobatics, Climb, Escape Artist, Perception, Stealth, and Survival. As for Feats, I chose Alertness seeing as I could only start out with one at 1st level. I guess I will put that 1 point back into Strength.

I'm playing a rogue with the same feat so not a bad choice all things considered.

By the way leather only grants a +2 AC bonus, your Dexterity bonus is +4 due to your dex being 18 thanks to being a halfling and any class skills you have even 1 skill rank in gain a +3 trained bonus ala pathfinder beta skill rules.

That last part is a bit confusing. Could you please say it again and use punctuation to break up the sentence so it's easier to understand.

In answer to you question, I put points into Acrobatics, Climb, Escape Artist, Perception, Stealth, and Survival. As for Feats, I chose Alertness seeing as I could only start out with one at 1st level. I guess I will put that 1 point back into Strength.

Brian Leichty wrote:

Does everything look ok with the character?

Halflings under beta rules gain a +2 to Charisma not Intelligence and by count you've spent 19pts not 20 so you could either increase your strength by 1 or reduce your wisdom score by 1 and then the pts gained from this and keeping your strength at your listed level to have your character's Int score remain at 14.

Could you list what skills you put points into?

Commoner: Skill points: 2+Int Modifier
Skills: Climb(Str), Craft(Int), Handle Animal(Cha), Perception(Wis), Profession(Wis), Ride (Dex) and Swim (Str).

Scout: Skill points: 8+Int modifier
Skills: Acrobatics(Dex), Climb(Str), Craft(Int), Escape Artist(Dex), Knowledge/Dungeoneering(Int), Knowledge/Geography(Int), Knowledge/Nature(Int), Linguistics(Int), Perception(Wis), Ride(Dex), Sense Motive(Wis), Stealth (Dex), Survival(Wis), Swim(Str).

For skill selection purposes you can have up to 2 skill pts in any skill on the pathfinder beta list however class skills which include any listed under your origin class (eg: Commoner) not covered by your actual PC class (eg:Scout) are also treated as class skills so they're treated as trained class skills (Which grant a +3 bonus to these specific skills).

AC: Leather is +2 AC, +4Dex and +1 racial size for a total of 17 the +6 Dex is the maximum dex bonus that can be applied to using leather armour.

Hit Points: 1d6+1d8+4 for 15hp at your current level you do get to decide whether you gain +1hp or +1 skill pt thanks to your origin class.

Save:
Fortitude: 0+2+1 for +3
Reflex: 2+4+1 for +7
Will: 0+2+1+2 for +5 (+2 vs fear)

CMB: -2(Strength modifier)-1(Size)+0(Base attack)= -3
Melee Attack: -1
Ranged Attack: +5

No problems with equipment, however what feats have you selected for your character?

Still checking.

Check Table 14-7. It put the +2 under Halflings for Dexterity and Intelligence, not Charisma. But under the Racial listing it has +2 for Dexterity and Charisma. So, what do I do?

The Ice Witch wrote:

Okay looks like you can introduce yourself after the next round if you want

Whoops looks like i mixed up avatars and games!

Sorry but there is an entry point about to be reached if you're interested, I'd say more but that would be given even more away about whats coming up!

Does everything look ok with the character?

Brian Leichty wrote:

Question. How many Copper Pieces (the quantity) would it take to reach 5 pounds in weight?

Approximately 250 sorry for the delay had computer problems and been getting replacement maps for those I hadn't put into photobucket.

I think my character is pretty much finished now. His name is Leambo Leafwalker. I made some notations that I hope will clear up any questions you may have. If not, I will do my best to explain anything that you aren't clear on.

Darn, I'm stumped then. If anyone could sort it out though, it will be Gary Teter. If you start a thread in the Website Feedback part of the forum near the top of the list, he or someone else should be by quickly to figure out what's happening.

I did and he mentioned that it might be a browser plug-in problem, so I re-installed Mozilla Firefox and it works now.

Brian Leichty wrote:

I get a message that asks if I want to view material that could comprimise the security of the website and I click on NO when it comes up, or at least I try to, because it won't let me get past it unless I click on YES. What should I do if I encounter this again?

That sounds like some sort of browser plugin giving you a warning -- our website doesn't do that. Perhaps try a different browser?

I don't have another browser to use.

Brian Leichty wrote:

Gary Teter wrote:

Dammit!

Hi Gary,

My name is Brian Leichty and I have been trying to post a character that I made for the Hopeless Legends are made, not Born Play by Post game and I have been having some problems. I don't know what the problem is but when I go to save my character data in the spaces provided I try to click on the Save Changes button or the Preview button and they don't respond. I have tried to post my character several times with the same result. Do you know what I can try to fix this problem?

I get a message that asks if I want to view material that could comprimise the security of the website and I click on NO when it comes up, or at least I try to, because it won't let me get past it unless I click on YES. What should I do if I encounter this again?

Brian, can you start a thread and post your question. Gary may not see it down here.

If you DO see this Gary... the WD thread - you're awesome.

He may not see it if I post it somewhere else, either.

Brian, this particular forum is for discussion of the Pathfinder Society organized play campaign, but I'll still attempt to go ahead and answer your question.

I'm not familiar with Rise of the Runelords, but usually with an adventure path, the intention is that it is a campaign that will advance the characters from first level all the way up to the higher levels. For example, the Second Darkness adventure path is designed to end up with players at levels 15-16 by the end of the final volume.

Each adventure path goes to level 15 or 16. What I was asking was what level would the party be if they ran through ALL of the adventure paths? And I didn't know where else to post my question, so sorry if this doesn't belong here.

I was wondering about something, and this is by no means something that I am wanting to do myself, but say you had a good sized party of 1st level characters and you started them all out in the Rise of the Rune Lords adventure path and took them all the way through to the end of the latest adventure path. Suppose that they somehow managed to survive all of the adventures in between the first adventure of the Runelords series to the very end of the latest one(the name of which escapes me at the moment). By the time they reach the end of the current adventure path (and I know that there are going to be more adventure paths coming out in the future), but for this topic's sake I am talking about the adventure path that starts with the Knights of Erebus(or whatever the name of that is). What my question is is this: what level would the character's be by the time they reached the end of this current adventure path, taking into account that none of them have reached the point where they are calling it quits and retiring from adventuring? What level would they all be? I am talking about single class characters, not multi-class characters.

Dammit!

Hi Gary,

My name is Brian Leichty and I have been trying to post a character that I made for the Hopeless Legends are made, not Born Play by Post game and I have been having some problems. I don't know what the problem is but when I go to save my character data in the spaces provided I try to click on the Save Changes button or the Preview button and they don't respond. I have tried to post my character several times with the same result. Do you know what I can try to fix this problem?

I get a message that asks if I want to view material that could comprimise the security of the website and I click on NO when it comes up, or at least I try to, because it won't let me get past it unless I click on YES. What should I do if I encounter this again?

I think it should be covered under Internet Options, but that might not be the problem.

Whenever you try to fill out your profile, are you looking at the top of the page you're working on? That's where the "Save Changes" button should be.

Yes, I am. It won't let me save or preview what I put in.

Could it be security settings interfering? I know that these days I have to allow IE to show non-secure items whenever I edit my profile.

I've got a bad feeling about this corridor.

I don't know. It might be. How do I check?

Brian Leichty wrote:

Question. How many Copper Pieces (the quantity) would it take to reach 5 pounds in weight?

Approximately 250 sorry for the delay had computer problems and been getting replacement maps for those I hadn't put into photobucket.

It's not letting me make a profile for my character. I can enter some information in but it won't let me preview what I have in or let me save anything. What do I do?

Brian Leichty wrote:

Actually, I think that I already mentioned that I was going to be playing a Halfling.

I have a question about starting money. In the Complete Adventurer, it says that Scouts start out with 5d4x10 gold pieces, and from the Commoner NPC class it says 5d4 gold pieces. Do I take the maximum from Scout and add in the money from the Commoner NPC class?

One or the other not both as the characters in this game started off at 0th level, I'd go with the scout and make it maximum gold you can get since its point based.

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Also, I was wondering how I send my completed character to you?

Use your avatar for the game select mine or any of the others for examples of this.

Question. How many Copper Pieces (the quantity) would it take to reach 5 pounds in weight?

Brian Leichty wrote:

What about Feats? How many do I get and do I have to pick them from the Pathfinder BETA pdf or can I use the ones from the Complete Adventurer Book and PHB?

If you mean the pathfinder beta then yes as for any others not listed such as if they're in the complete adventurer let me know and I'll take a look it shouldn't be difficult to port over.

And as for how many feats you have you have 1 for 1st level and if you're human a bonus feat I've been including the npc level for purposes of this so when your character reaches 2nd level they'll get their next feat.

Actually, I think that I already mentioned that I was going to be playing a Halfling.

I have a question about starting money. In the Complete Adventurer, it says that Scouts start out with 5d4x10 gold pieces, and from the Commoner NPC class it says 5d4 gold pieces. Do I take the maximum from Scout and add in the money from the Commoner NPC class?

Also, I was wondering how I send my completed character to you?

Brian Leichty wrote:

I'm assuming that my character needs to be 1st level, or can I make him more experienced? Also, where am i supposed to write down the Character Class(es) on the Pathfinder Character Sheet?

If you're playing a scout then you're a 1st level Scout and of course a 1st level of that free npc class.

Put your class on the character level section of the character sheet.

Page 1

Page 2

The above links lead to a copy of the character sheet should you need it

What about Feats? How many do I get and do I have to pick them from the Pathfinder BETA pdf or can I use the ones from the Complete Adventurer Book and PHB?

About the only changes

1)Its treated as High Fantasy for point buy of attributes (20pts) and Initial skill points aren't multiplied by 4

2)You get a free npc level which means you gain and additional hit die and skill points associated with that class.

3)Select on my avatar for specific changes to the Commoner class if thats what you select the only changes are a bonus +2 to one of the saves and you get to start with a weapon free of charge that you can wield without penalties.

4)Understand that any skill counted as a class skill for either your current class AND that free npc class count as class skills for skill bonus purposes as you get a +3 bonus when putting skill points into a class skill.

5)I was thinking of having you being found by the group when they find the prison where the people kidnapped from the waystation are being held but having you following them inside the lair will do fine.

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with!

Take care and all the best!

I'm assuming that my character needs to be 1st level, or can I make him more experienced? Also, where am i supposed to write down the Character Class(es) on the Pathfinder Character Sheet?

And would be able to track and follow the party's progress through the cave. I'm thinking Aragorn style in LOTR =D

It's sounding like you need to read the Pathfinder BETA pdf Brian. You can download it for free in the My Downloads section. There's also the free player's guides for RotRL and CotCT. And of course as well Hopeless added the character creation rules in the OOC thread. If you need any other help, just ask us.

Just curious, have you played PbP's before?

It's been awhile, but yes I have. And I am in a Yahoo Groups game presently.

What I meant when I asked about the character creation process was that I wanted to know if it is rolling dice for each of the stats or if it is a point-buy system. If it is a point-buy system, then I need to know how many points I have to work with. And just so you know, I do have the Pathfinder BETA pdf on my computer(all 400 some odd pages of it).

Yup, we could sure use one of those Brian : )

Well ok, but how do I go about making him? Hmm? For this game, but not for what is presently happening in this game at the moment. I need a character sheet, and I need to know how the characters for this game are generated.

Okay here's where we discuss the details for the game to be set in the next section.

So to rehash whats been written so far;

What I'd like to run is a 0th level game so that starting characters choose their classes from the npc classes at the start with an opening adventure set near Falcons Hollow in Andorra.

The backdrop is that the hamlet its based in is located on the trade route from Falcons Hollow and it has been beset by raids led by an Ogre accompanied by a band of goblins.

Their requests for aid from the Lumber Consortium have been turned down with no reason for the refusal so they have approached a low level member of the Eagle Knights for aid and following the latest raid she has posted a reward of 100gp per party member for the safe rescue of a pair of locals whom were kidnapped in that raid with the addendum that anything found belongs to the group as long as they make a report and show what was found to the Eagle Knight so she can complete a report on the matter.

However the only ones to step forward are a group of neophyte adventurer wannabe's who see this as their chance to become what they've always dreamed.

You can select one optional extra from the list of traits listed below and have maximum gold for buying equipment otherwise usual pathfinder beta rules.

Listed below are the basic traits you can choose;

[spoiler]
Basic Traits
These come in four types;

1) Combat
a) Anatomist: +1 to confirm critical hits
b) Armour Expert: Reduce armour check penalty by 1 to a minimum of 0
c) Bullied: +1 on opportunity attacks strictly unarmed in nature doesn’t grant access to improved unarmed attack by the way
d) Courageous: +2 to saves vs fear
e) Deft Dodger: +1 to reflex saves
f) Dirty Fighter: +1 damage with flanking attacks
g) Fencer: +1 on opportunity attacks using daggers, swords and bladed weapons
h) Killed: Deals extra damage equal to the critical multiplier of a weapon when doing a critical hit but this damage isn’t multiplied
i) Reactionary: +2 to...

Well, I've had a chance to read through this and I am thinking of running a Halfling Scout(The Scout is from the Complete Adventurer book). Let's talk about how to make this happen.

OOC: Is this game closed to new players or are new players allowed to join the game late? I am asking because I have been looking through the posts and it looks like a lot of fun. Also, I was wondering if this is a Pathfinder only game, or if you use other game books like the Complete Adventurer?

Agreed.

Let's all try to avoid a flamewar here. This is a legitimate topic that a lot of people are wondering about, and I'd hate for this thread to get heated to the point of uselessness.

Let me start by saying that I was not trying to start an Edition Flame War when I posted that last night. What I was trying to say, though, was that Wizard's of the Coast is more interested in selling products that make their profit margins increase, instead of making quality games that people WANT to play, like the folks here at Paizo.

The changes are difficult to characterize, especially because there are a LOT of little tweaks to spells and skills and stuff throughout the whole document. That said (and I think a lot of playtests have born this out), a lot of those types of changes are not immediately obvious until they come up in play. I fully expect that people will find minor changes (we like to think they're "improvements") years from now. Does a change that you don't even notice for an entire campaign make it more or less compatible with 3.5? In a lot of cases the answer is "neither." The spell is still called what it is called, but there's some minor change that makes it easier to use in play.

Then there are things that we threw in there to see how far we could take things. The original Alpha skill system is probably the best example of this, but the "rage point" mechanic is another. That sort of change grated on people because "point counting" has never really been a part of the game, and it especially hasn't been a part of a class as relatively straightforward as the barbarian. In this case we brought the new (and completely kickass) rules for raging closer to 3.5, in that they are presented in a way that will not give a heart attack to point-haters while still offering something new, cool, and exciting for the barbarian.

There are a few more examples of this, but no one should be afraid that we've suddenly added back Use Rope or we've given up on the idea of filling out dead class levels or what have you.

The previews will reveal more.

The group that I game with does not want anything to do with 4E, which is why we still use 3.5. While I am not saying that 3.5 is better or worse, I do think that we should not be forced to have to switch over to a system that is a complete and utter departure from the D&D game that we grew up playing. We grew up playing 1st and 2nd Edition, and although we were originally opposed to 3rd Edition, it has become our new game of choice, mainly because it took some of the ideas from the previous versions and streamlined them into a more workable system. 4E is just a ploy for Wizard's of the Coast to make money, and people buy it because they don't know any better. This new Pathfinder material that Paizo has put out looks very promising, I must say, and it could be compatible with v3.5 very easily. But, and let me say this, if you want to play actual D&D, you should really stick with the earlier versions of the game because they are a lot closer to the game that Dave Arneson and Gary Gygax created. This latest edition is a complete and utter departure from what they created.

Now I know that this is supposed to be talking about Pathfinder, and like I said, it could very easily be compatible with version 3.5, which is what my friends and I play now. Between all of us, we have collectively over 50 years of gaming experience. So for us old-time gamers, please make this product friendlier for us to play.

In the group that I play Forgotten Realms with, there is a rule that if you roll a 20 on a d20 that you have to roll that again to see if you actually rolled a critical hit. I personally hate that rule because it takes what should be a critical hit and removes the threat if you don't roll that again. As for fumbles, I'm not a big fan of those either, but we get to roll on a fumble chart to see what the result is, and if what we roll doesn't make sense we get to re-roll the result. There are three DM's (myself included) in our group and this group that we have now have been playing off and on together for years.

houstonderek wrote:

WotC hasn't even bothered to post a tribute or anything on their main page as of five minutes ago. Considering they're profiting off of the sandbox he created, it kind of pisses me off...

WotC posted something a little less than an hour ago. Keep in mind that they're on the West coast, and only opened up for business around that time.

Agree with their business decisions or not, the people that work at WotC are good people, and let us (please, I beg) not turn Dave's passing into an excuse for sniping at anyone.

I would rather remember the man and his work than form opinions of any kind on those that won't bother to.

Even though the latest version of what he and Gary Gygax made isn't worth the paper that it's printed on.

You all do realize of course that this is an April Fool's Joke, don't you?

Well, today is April 1st, after all.

You all do realize of course that this is an April Fool's Joke, don't you?

yoda8myhead wrote:

Scott Betts wrote:

I'm sorry your feedback was not considered for the changes, but that doesn't mean they were ignoring feedback in general. More likely is that the feedback you provided was not considered because it did not take the game in the direction they were looking to go.

It must not have, because the game went in the opposite direction, and that's when WotC lost my whole 8 person group as customers. It seems like they had a specific idea in mind of where they wanted it to go, and listened to the half of the feedback that agreed with them, ignoring the rest.

Again, there is little point in a company listening to feedback that tells them the equivalent of "scrap the plans you had and do it differently" when they've already set a design philosophy out that disagrees with you.

Again, sorry that you weren't what Wizards was looking for. Hopefully eventually you'll give 4th Edition another honest try.

yoda8myhead wrote:

And the result is that the gaming community as a whole is very divided now. They could have done a little reaching across party lines in their development process.

The gaming community as a whole is absolutely not divided aside from a tiny minority splintering off to play Pathfinder. Which is good, since if Pathfinder survives to become an actual competitor the gaming market will improve. But don't for a second think that a handful of the most active online gamers is representative of the hundreds of thousands of people who play D&D.

4th Edition should never have been released. It is incomplete, and no improvement over the previous editions.