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ok.. please bear with me this could be long... and if you want to respond with some constructive criticism please read everything before doing so, including the spells that are talked about.

I know this has been talked about before.. but I don't think it was answered to the level of what I wanted or some people wanted. And I hope I can explain how I see it, so it can be understood.

The combo of Invisibility Glitterdust Invisibility.

We need to talk about both spells.

We all know Glitterdust could be better explained but it is not. So, this is my take on the spell. Of course the beauty of this game is the DM can say however something is going to work in his game.

That target of Glitterdust gets a Will save for the blinding effect and gets NO spell resistance.
Now I'm not sure why the target gets a Will save instead of a Fort save.

If you cast Blindness on a target, it get a Fort save and spell resistance. But the spell Blindness is in fact a spell. Glitterdust is a area effect of glittering dust, and I'm not sure why there is no spell resistance if it is magic. you can read the description in a few ways. You can read it as it is magic and gives off a magic sparkle light or it is a sparkle like gold flakes or a metallic flake and with out light it does not sparkle like a gold coin. But if it is magic why no spell resistance?

Faerie fire is a spell that does something very similar to Glitterdust but the target gets spell resistance because faerie fire is in fact a spell that will outline a subject to shed light as candles.

Now if a target gets hit with acid splash they get no save or spell resistance. because well its a touch attack that is why there is no save and the acid is not magic, that is why there is no spell resistance. it is acid eating your face off.

Also when I was reading some forums about this, I noticed a question about the Duration of the spell.
The Area of effect of glitterdust is all creatures and objects within 10-ft.-radius spread are covered in glitterdust.
There a couple of ways to read the Duration of the spell. Please remember the DM has final say on what the spell does.

I read it as a one shot wonder.. you splash everything in a 10-ft area with glitterdust end of story. (if somebody moves though the area of effect next round it would be like walking across sand. yours footstep could be seen or the dust/sand would move if disturbed.

The other way to read it would be seen as a cloud of glitterdust. (if somebody moves into the area of effect next round or during the duration they would all so be covered and have to make a will save or be blinded). If this is true they would/should have a description like the spells Obscuring mist or Fog Cloud. But it does not. So I would say it is not a cloud at all.

Now as you know and can see it gets a little complicated in this game we call D&D, things have to be identified magic or non magic. For example, There is magic fire and non-magic fire because there are resistance in this game. Scorching ray is in fact magic fire. If the target of the scorching ray gets hit and has spell resistance the target gets a spell resistance check.

So now, unless glitterdust is a Supernatural ability? a magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability's effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells.

I would say glitterdust is not magic and it is a spell but not a Supernatural ability, so a non-magic sand/white flour of glittering dust showered over you.

I think everybody does agree magic or not, it completely and utterly counters invisibility and any concealment in every way of any target or objects in the area of effect with a -40 on stealth checks.

Now when I see No spell resistance it would mean not magic. Kind of like you just got hit with bag of white flour with a bunch of metal shavings in it. The metal shaving glitter and if you get some in your eyes, you are blinded. simple.

Or lets say even, that the dust does gives off a magic light. Like you just got stuck with a glitterdust and every spec of dust had continual flame cast on it. That would still make sense why you would not get spell resistance yet it is still have a magic light.

There is also a wondrous magic item called Dust of Appearance that, surprise! requires the spell glitterdust to make. Part of the Description is "This powder appears to be a very fine, very light metallic dust. a single handful of this substance flung into the air coats objects within a 10-foot radius, making them visible even if they are invisible." long story short, a lesser of the glitterdust spell with no blinding effects.

On to invisibility.. it is better explained then glitterdust.

Invisibility - part of the description "the recipient is a creature carrying gear, that vanishes. Items dropped or put down by an invisible creature become visible; items picked up disappear if tucked into the clothing or pouches worn by the creature. Light, however, never becomes invisible,although a source of light can become so (thus, the effect is that of a light with no visible source). Any part of an item that the subject carries but that extends more than 10 feet from it becomes visible."

So the way invisibility says it covers a source of light I think the target of glitterdust or even Dust of Appearance could cast invisibility with glitterdust or Dust of Appearance on them and become invisible again with no -40 to stealth checks because all the dust on the target is invisible... nothing is stopping the caster from hitting the target again with glitterdust or Dust of Appearance and reveal the target again.

So... all the glitterdust or Dust of Appearance or flour or sand or anything on the target would be invisible. light source or not.

Now unless somebody can explains that glitterdust is a Supernatural ability or is some way anti-magic, invisibility should always make you invisible again know matter what is on you.

Also if a target has Faerie fire on them... it is a spell they got a spell resistance check. the target of Faerie fire cast invisibility. They are still outlined in Faerie fire because it is a spell and not touching them.

Again this is my opinion I'm not saying its right or wrong. Just trying to follow the rules that make sense.

If the description of glitterdust was better. like at the end... where it says "Any creature covered by the dust takes a -40 penalty on Stealth checks."
Maybe if they added: Glitterdust completely and utterly counters invisibility and any concealment in every way of any target or objects in the area of effect with a -40 on stealth checks. If a creature that was effected by glitterdust casts invisibility again with glitterdust covering itself, has ______ effect.

That would have been nice.

ok.. please bear with me this could be long... and if you want to respond with some constructive criticism please read everything before doing so, including the spells that are talked about.

I know this has been talked about before.. but I don't think it was answered to the level of what I wanted or some people wanted. And I hope I can explain how I see it, so it can be understood.

The combo of Invisibility Glitterdust Invisibility.

We need to talk about both spells.

We all know Glitterdust could be better explained but it is not. So, this is my take on the spell. Of course the beauty of this game is the DM can say however something is going to work in his game.

That target of Glitterdust gets a Will save for the blinding effect and gets NO spell resistance.
Now I'm not sure why the target gets a Will save instead of a Fort save.

If you cast Blindness on a target, it get a Fort save and spell resistance. But the spell Blindness is in fact a spell. Glitterdust is a area effect of glittering dust, and I'm not sure why there is no spell resistance if it is magic. you can read the description in a few ways. You can read it as it is magic and gives off a magic sparkle light or it is a sparkle like gold flakes or a metallic flake and with out light it does not sparkle like a gold coin. But if it is magic why no spell resistance?

Faerie fire is a spell that does something very similar to Glitterdust but the target gets spell resistance because faerie fire is in fact a spell that will outline a subject to shed light as candles.

Now if a target gets hit with acid splash they get no save or spell resistance. because well its a touch attack that is why there is no save and the acid is not magic, that is why there is no spell resistance. it is acid eating your face off.

Also when I was reading some forums about this, I noticed a question about the Duration of the spell.
The Area of effect of glitterdust is all creatures and objects within 10-ft.-radius spread are covered in glitterdust.
There a couple of ways to read the Duration of the spell. Please remember the DM has final say on what the spell does.

I read it as a one shot wonder.. you splash everything in a 10-ft area with glitterdust end of story. (if somebody moves though the area of effect next round it would be like walking across sand. yours footstep could be seen or the dust/sand would move if disturbed.

The other way to read it would be seen as a cloud of glitterdust. (if somebody moves into the area of effect next round or during the duration they would all so be covered and have to make a will save or be blinded). If this is true they would/should have a description like the spells Obscuring mist or Fog Cloud. But it does not. So I would say it is not a cloud at all.

Now as you know and can see it gets a little complicated in this game we call D&D, things have to be identified magic or non magic. For example, There is magic fire and non-magic fire because there are resistance in this game. Scorching ray is in fact magic fire. If the target of the scorching ray gets hit and has spell resistance the target gets a spell resistance check.

So now, unless glitterdust is a Supernatural ability? a magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability's effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells.

I would say glitterdust is not magic and it is a spell but not a Supernatural ability, so a non-magic sand/white flour of glittering dust showered over you.

I think everybody does agree magic or not, it completely and utterly counters invisibility and any concealment in every way of any target or objects in the area of effect with a -40 on stealth checks.

Now when I see No spell resistance it would mean not magic. Kind of like you just got hit with bag of white flour with a bunch of metal shavings in it. The metal shaving glitter and if you get some in your eyes, you are blinded. simple.

Or lets say even, that the dust does gives off a magic light. Like you just got stuck with a glitterdust and every spec of dust had continual flame cast on it. That would still make sense why you would not get spell resistance yet it is still have a magic light.

There is also a wondrous magic item called Dust of Appearance that, surprise! requires the spell glitterdust to make. Part of the Description is "This powder appears to be a very fine, very light metallic dust. a single handful of this substance flung into the air coats objects within a 10-foot radius, making them visible even if they are invisible." long story short, a lesser of the glitterdust spell with no blinding effects.

On to invisibility.. it is better explained then glitterdust.

Invisibility - part of the description "the recipient is a creature carrying gear, that vanishes. Items dropped or put down by an invisible creature become visible; items picked up disappear if tucked into the clothing or pouches worn by the creature. Light, however, never becomes invisible,although a source of light can become so (thus, the effect is that of a light with no visible source). Any part of an item that the subject carries but that extends more than 10 feet from it becomes visible."

So the way invisibility says it covers a source of light I think the target of glitterdust or even Dust of Appearance could cast invisibility with glitterdust or Dust of Appearance on them and become invisible again with no -40 to stealth checks because all the dust on the target is invisible... nothing is stopping the caster from hitting the target again with glitterdust or Dust of Appearance and reveal the target again.

So... all the glitterdust or Dust of Appearance or flour or sand or anything on the target would be invisible. light source or not.

Now unless somebody can explains that glitterdust is a Supernatural ability or is some way anti-magic, invisibility should always make you invisible again know matter what is on you.

Also if a target has Faerie fire on them... it is a spell they got a spell resistance check. the target of Faerie fire cast invisibility. They are still outlined in Faerie fire because it is a spell and not touching them.

Again this is my opinion I'm not saying its right or wrong. Just trying to follow the rules that make sense.

If the description of glitterdust was better. like at the end... where it says "Any creature covered by the dust takes a -40 penalty on Stealth checks."
Maybe if they added: Glitterdust completely and utterly counters invisibility and any concealment in every way of any target or objects in the area of effect with a -40 on stealth checks. If a creature that was effected by glitterdust casts invisibility again with glitterdust covering itself, has ______ effect.

That would have been nice.