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Thanks. Does the Green Ronin setting reference the Aerth of Dungeon Crawl Classics?
Does anyone know if the Green Ronin Freeport setting is the same as the DCC Freeport that is the backdrop for Dungeon Crawl Classics #20 Shadow's in Freeport?
Erik, thanks for your clearing up where Paizo stands on this issue and humoring my attempt at a debate regarding how people feal about offensive language in your magazine. I guess people in general are no longer sensitive to swearing or at least the it is an accurate description of the gaming community on this board. Some have said that using the word s!#! has power. In the context of the short story it was used to push a characters point of view. It meant something. Maybe it meant the character's narrative indicates that he is aggrivated, upset, or determined. At the same time many people are saying that its not a big deal. Grow up, be a big boy, its a harmless, meaningless word. Well then where's the power. What does it matter anyway. So far the responses to my post are s$!&. Is anyone offened? I hope not. It's such a weak word. If you are, grow up.
Both profanity and racism are offensive. Both incorporate slang terms to label actions, people, places, and things. Ho's refers to prostitutes and in the context in which Imus used it, to black women thereby associating black women with prostitutes. S$!& refers to deficating. Many times people, places, or things are referred to as s~##. Its offensive. Its a word that should not be used because it is used to offend people albeit more general then Ho's, but still offensive. Andrew, your justification for using offensive language must be that it is OK to use offensive language to label any individual, but if the context is a group of individuals and is obviously so, it is offensive. I'm going to run out and teach that to my kids. After all they should know how to swear so that they can equally offend everybody. The truth is that we should do our best to not to offend anyone. I believe one way to offend the fewest people is to use offensive language as littls as possible. It very simple. I'm sorry but if a word like s$#! came our of my child's mouth, they would be punished for a long time. Now I admit I have used the word thousands of times in my life, but I do my best to limit the audience to mature adults. The Paizo staff made no attempt to censor the offensive language. They simply printed it in a magazine which up until now I thought could be read by a wide audience. Maybe its a good thing WoTC pulled the plug. After this and the Poryphory House printing I question whether the Paizo staff could produce a decent magazine that a parent wouldn't have to worry about letting their kids read.
I noticed that in the latest issue there was some fiction entitled "The Confession." I read the first paragraph and was surprised to see the word "s~!+" printed right there before my eyes. I have been a subscriber for almost 20 years going back to when I was 10 and never have I seen that word printed. I went back and search the Dragon archive of the first 250 issue and did not receive a single document returned. I am very concerned as it seems that this type of language isn't fit for a magazine of this nature. I know that Dragon is going out of print, but can we expect the same type of what I will term "mature" content in present Pathfinder and Game Mastery products? We can say all we want about WoTC, their poor product value, and the cancelation of Dragon and Dungeon magazines, but they don't print offencive words in their products and if the material therein may offend (like in The Book of Vile Darkness") they apply a warning label. Do you - the staff at Paizo - have standards for language in your products or can we expect to see female npc's referred to as "Nappy Ho's" in an upcoming product? BTW - I may rethink my support of your upcoming products if their not fit for consumption for teens and children above the age of 11.
Once again Deimodius, you are right on target. Those who have missed my intent are the type of people who get tweaked when a name is mentioned because they themselves fear others making statements about them. The kind who wanted Imus fired. These are the people who think its OK to attack people that say the emperors not wearing any clothes. They are called cowards. I think everyone who's attacking my statement should use their real names on the board as I have. I'm willing to accept criticism and I agree that I could have communicated my point better, but I think the people on this board should get off their liberal high horses, stop worrying about who says what about whom, and focus on the point which is that Wotc is ignoring the pen and paper RPG community. If you defend Liz then you probably believe that the Nazi's should be forgiven since they were only following orders from Hitler. I am a senior executive at a company on the same level as Liz and she had the power to do something other then cancel Dragon and Dungeon magazines. If I am wrong about how much control she has over the Dungeons and Dragons brand then she must just be a figurehead controlled by a brain in the jar called Hasbro. By the way have you seen the size of my Brain!
You haven't proved anything. The point I am trying to make is that Liz is out of touch with gamers. The other reason I started this thread was to discuss my theory that we have arrived at this state (the cancelation for Dragon and Dungeon magazines) because of Wotc managments poor management in regards to creating and maintaining products for the RPG market.
Deimodius, you've nailed it. My concern is that whether Liz actually games, but if she is in tune with the gameing community. I thought tha if someone could substantiate some the of the claims that Liz makes in her statments and mini biography that it would show that she does in fact understand and interact with the gaming community. It certainly doesn't seem that she does. You bring up a good point about the survey. It is a strong tool for product management, but it must be created properly and used in a particular manner. A product or brand manager should never start their quest for user behavior or clients needs with a survey. The first step in the process is to speak with your customer base and interact with them. Find out their like and dislikes and new things they may be looking for. A survey is used to confirm or disavow the information gathered from the initial group that was approached. The survey casts a wider net on the customer base and it is important that the customer base is aware of the survey so that they understand that not only is the producer of the product actively soliciting feedback, but that the customer has the ability to participate before any changes to the product take place. The structure of the survey is very important as well. It should never give the survey taker choices that are black and white. For example in this case the survey should not say would you rather had the Dragon and Dungeon content presented in a magazine or online format. The problem here is that the consumer knows what the magazine is, but the online content can mean many things to alot of people. The survey should ask multiple questions ab out content layout, time of delivery, what the content should be, and when do you read the content. The answers to thoses questions should determine the format in which the product is delivered. Needless to say if there was a survey I'm not sure who was sent to. Probably a focus group of kids who play miniatures and card games that Wotc wants to convert to D&D play. Whatever happended to the magazine that was deadicated to cards? Oh yeah its gone.
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