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Ashiel wrote:

The burden of proof is on the accuser or the one making the statement. In this case, we do not have to produce rules saying that 7 charisma isn't "fugly", you have to produce rules saying it is.

Actually, RAW says it effects appearance. So it would "appear" burden of proof falls on you to show that it doesn't.

And since diplomacy doesn't say it effects anything but the hostility scale, specifically it can make someone friendly or, at best, helpful.

"helpful" is not the same as thinking you are dashing. Kind of like a good survival check doesn't make you wise.

Down with the Fugly, smelly people. Give them make-up and deodorant!

Will play later, got to game now. Before I go, why doesn't everyone just up the point buy, or roll stats? Then you would have extra points to make a well rounded character.

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BellMorta wrote:

*What? A...*

*bites leg*

CHOMP

Mmm...

Tastes like leg...

...smells like hair.

*shakes fulfilled fanged fist*

Damn, my cha went down b/c of cha drain {missing leg & hair)

BellMorta wrote:

I'll right shadow, why don't you show me the raw where a 7 isn't fugly.

I can come close :) It's not exactly raw, but she's an iconic and so SHOULD be a good representation of the stats.

Amiri has an 8 charisma. Sure she's a little rough around the edges, a scar here or there, and has a pretty hardcore buisness face, but she's fricken hot, and during her not-depicted (at least not in the official art) smiles I bet she'd be damned pretty.

she get's +2 app b/c of her leather fetish. Do you think she dashing on top of that?

BellMorta wrote:

*Ok Sha..*

*low-brow, on-a-whim, violent peasant FIST TO FACE*

KA-POW!

Damn talker. Something about you just rubs me the wrong way.

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*shakes fist*

What? Anyhow, if your going to hit me can you at least pull my hair.

Ok Shadowlord how long did it take you to become attracted to said low app girls and would you date someone unapealing I bet it took longer than a min.

Yap, unatractive people do find happiness, money sometimes comes into play." Would you tell your girlfriend/wife It's what on the inside that counts." "Looks aren't everything." or "I love your personality, it really brings out your mole."

I do not know jess, but are you saying she has a 7 app? Not your best diplomacy roll :(

I'll right shadow, why don't you show me the raw where a 7 isn't fugly.

BellMorta wrote:

Just wondering, say a girl walks up to you and she like 5 feet tall and about that wide (human) not, dwaven anyway, lets say she doesn't have any teeth, she kind of smells and you think she bears a striking resemblance to yoda. But she's really nice and can be exstremely charming. Would anyone really look past that to get to know her? Would that be a 7 app. but a 14 cha.

Depends on how you spin it. The numbers don't make the character, they just have to represent the character on paper. Tolkien didn't stat out Aragorn, but we could easily stat him as a 5th level Fighter or Ranger, not problem.

You could say she has a particularly poor charisma because of all of those drawbacks, and then represent her charming nature by spending ranks in the appropriate skills at each additional level (maybe Diplomacy is a class skill, meaning unless she has a 1 Charisma she can break even at +0). Maybe most people won't find her attractive, but she can push past that with her personality.

I've actually met a few girls just like this (barring the no teeth, that seems a little odd to say the least - why does she have no teeth?) who were actually a lot of fun to hang around, and I know at least one that's something of a man's lady.

That would be great if your stats didn't make your character, because I would love to play a 7 cha with a 24 app. But most GM's want you to play your flaws, and 7 anything is a flaw.

BellMorta wrote:

Just wondering, say a girl walks up to you and she like 5 feet tall and about that wide (human) not, dwaven anyway, lets say she doesn't have any teeth, she kind of smells and you think she bears a striking resemblance to yoda. But she's really nice and can be exstremely charming. Would anyone really look past that to get to know her? Would that be a 7 app. but a 14 cha.

If a girl is overweight and unattractive, but has a happy smile on her face, a confident manner that states "You don't have to like me, because I'm awesome," and always is ready with the perfect funny quip, you might look past her physical appearance.

Keep things in perspective, though. A -2 to charisma checks is in general a 10% lower likelihood of success on charisma based checks.

I am socially rather retarded. My family is a family of introverts, we're obsessed with mental development and didn't put much time into social development. I don't know much about pop culture and am out of touch in a lot of random social conversations. I would rate my charisma as probably a 7, honestly. A net -10% chance of succeeding in a social encounter might even be overly generouss. ::shrug::

The stat scale gets a little wonky, when you consider that a 0 charisma is coma time, but is still only a net 25% lower likelihood of success in social encounters to someone with a 10 charisma. But there it is.

Ok, most everyone is talking about how app doesn't matter, but if that was the case then there would not be any plastic surgeons and breast implants, I understand this is a game, so it is hard to get the numbers right, but having a 7 cha means something is really wrong with you, like bad wrong. Jess I don't think you have a 7 cha. I would reserve that for my husband Mr. Fishy

Ashiel, wouldn't that be cha that would be upped?

By 2nd level, Sigfried has - through natural growth - overcome the drawbacks of most of his social quips, having reached a +0 Diplomacy and Bluff modifier (he is now on par with the average person), and he interacts with people like the average guy (having got more comfortable with interaction). By 3rd level and up he's now above average in social interactions, impressing people, and so forth. He doesn't have some weird twitch or thing that makes him "off" to people, because he's outgrown his usual quirks that are offsetting him.

Just wondering, say a girl walks up to you and she like 5 feet tall and about that wide (human) not, dwaven anyway, lets say she doesn't have any teeth, she kind of smells and you think she bears a striking resemblance to yoda. But she's really nice and can be exstremely charming. Would anyone really look past that to get to know her? Would that be a 7 app. but a 14 cha.

We lost jask:(

we have not had any problems in are game.Maybe because most of the party's dwaven, we've got a human male and a female elf. My dwaven cleric is to buzzy healing to find love,but she is betrothed to the dwaven mage pc.

Umm, what level are you starting at?

Go Socerers!!! Got to love them!!! I wouldn't say one's better than the other. It's the way you play them. But, I have to say I have a soft spot for my Sorceress. I wouldn't trade her for a wizard.

Poor Fishstick

Mr. Fishy's head is going to pop with all the attention you give him.

Looking for a group or payers for my husband and I. We play a wide assortment of games, including D&D 3.5, WoD, True D20, Hunter, DeadLands, and we can work-out most games.Also, my husband DM's.We have kids so will have to work around that.CSBaird79@yahoo.com