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Werthead wrote:
As for your point about not having a middle, that is actually correct. Martin's original plan was to jump five years from A STORM OF SWORDS to A DANCE WITH DRAGONS, which didn't work due to being implausible. So A FEAST FOR CROWS was introduced to fill in some of the events that would have happened in that timeframe (whilst reducing it to a few months rather than five years). The book was never meant to exist and was written on the fly, hence it's notable problems.

That's a portion of the problem, but the lack of a coherent "middle" to the story more stems from the fact that Martin doesn't really have much of a specific plan which he follows when writing. ("My process as a writer is not one of thoroughly outlining ahead of time, which can result in my muse leading me down blind alleys and dead ends.") When writing a single, self-contained work that isn't an issue, but when writing a lengthy series, it can lead to serious problems.

There was nothing intrinsically implausible about a five year jump following a Storm of Swords. Westeros as a whole had been so war ravaged, most of the major players pulling back to lick their wounds and regroup would've worked just fine and anything that had occurred during that time could've been gradually revealed.

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However, we should get back on-track (assuming Martin has pulled it off) with the story he had planned in the next book.

The next novel we're going to get will bear no resemblance to the theoretical novel that Martin would've set five years following Storm of Swords as, despite their length, the last two novels have barely moved the time line forward at all. Especially when it comes to characters like the Starks who are children or young adults, five years makes a huge amount of difference in terms of the sorts of stories you can tell about them. Now, by the time things are finally done, Martin may have managed to string together a fully coherent story, but the story that we'll actually have will have only the most limited resemblance to the story that existed in Martin's mind as A Game of Thrones was initially written and published which creates a degree of incongruity between it's beginning, middle, and end.

This isn't just a problem with ASoFaI or Martin in particular. As sprawling series became increasingly common over the past couple of decades the most successful ones have all suffered like this as the authors renown gradually causes their editors become less able to say "no" or set limits and their publishers become less willing to.

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Out of all the POV charaters introduced in the series so far (excepting the prologue ones, who die by tradition), a grand total of two are dead, and one of them came back (sort of).

A character doesn't have to be a POV character for a reader to find them interesting. There have been quite a number of non-POV characters that were given extensive "screen time" and then killed off. Not a flaw in and of itself, but I can certainly see how someone could find it grating if those happened to be amoung the characters they found engaging.

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Ernest Mueller wrote:

1. You most certainly could use the clarifications that Wizards publishes on their own site about what the OGL means in court. About 1/100 of what's brought up in a civil trial is black-letter law.

You could bring them up, but they'd mean little to nothing. The FAQs have no legal authority whatsoever to interpret the contract that a publisher enters into by using the OGL. Nothing of meaning comes up in a court room other than the law itself (including of course case law) and information that attempts to demonstrate whether or not the defendant's actions have run afoul of that law. Judge's don't just make up new ways of interpreting law based on their whims in that case.

It's also worth bearing in mind that Goblinworks CEO Ryan Dancey knows more about both the OGL and how Hasbro's internal legal department would be likely to interpret it than anyone else. Dancey created the OGL and put far more of his time, energy, and professional reputation than any other person. If he of all people has decided not to use it, then I have little doubt that it's a rational decision.

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But let me not interrupt the "it's impossible!" riff...

What is impossible is to do it any way that would absolutely shield Goblinworks from the threat of expensive legal action on the part of Hasbro. Constructing hypothetical interpretations whereby Goblinworks could win such a case is meaningless. All Hasbro has to have is enough of a case to get into court and they could make sure Goblinworks bankrupts long before a Pathfinder MMO ever comes into existence.

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