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Avamira wrote:

This is offensive. By saying this, you are implying that I am an unintelligent moron, and you appear to think I have never been to school or, as you put it, "cracked open a Biology textbook". If humans qualify as animals, then the killing of animals would be considered murder. I hope you do not think that the life of, say, a sheep is worth as much as that of a human. Maybe humans ARE animals, but if we are, then we are definitely a higher form of animal. There is a reason lions don't rule the earth. Please do not continue to insult my intellect.

It wasn't much of an insult, but you can act all hurt if you want. I was merely pointing out what seemed like a very big gap in your knowledge. Humans have always been a part of Kingdom Animalia, and while we have a higher intellect than other animal species, that does not change that classification.

Your logic is flawed on the second part. Killing animals is not murder, because murder is neither defined as merely "killing" nor is murder even defined as "unlawfully killing a living creature", it is (simplified) "unlawfully killing, with malice aforethought, another HUMAN".

At no point does saying humans are animals imply that a non-human animal has the same rights as a human.

Further, we were never talking about the life of human, we were speaking of the CORPSE of a human, and how a primitive tribesman whose beliefs include cannibalism might view the process of using every part of an already dead human.

Context is key.

I did ask you to stop.

The PC and cohort in my solo campaign got turned into vampires as a result of an unfortunate random encounter. The cohort was a witch, and her fox familiar left once she died and took up with an NPC -- he didn't want to revert to being a normal creature. The NPC was a little girl, and had only a vague idea what was happening.

In retaliation the PC and her cohort tracked down and murdered the kid's older brother, messily, because he was her sole surviving family member and that would show her how it felt to lose someone you cared about. It was pretty messed up. I mean, they were vampires at the time, but still.

I hope those PCs were evil-aligned, or became evil-aligned when they did that.

Aranna wrote:

I am pretty sure Ghoulish acts like consuming the dead of humanoid races is strictly evil in alignment... Which in my game would have transformed him into an NPC very quickly. I mean a fully practicing member of an evil tribe does NOT usually make a good team mate.

The True Neutral Lizardfolk race says otherwise.

Avamira wrote:

Rynjin wrote:

What's so horrible about it?

You're supposed to use all parts of the animal, you know.

So now humans qualify as animals?

If by "now" you mean "since the dawn of time" yes.

Crack open a Biology textbook some time.

This is offensive. By saying this, you are implying that I am an unintelligent moron, and you appear to think I have never been to school or, as you put it, "cracked open a Biology textbook". If humans qualify as animals, then the killing of animals would be considered murder. I hope you do not think that the life of, say, a sheep is worth as much as that of a human. Maybe humans ARE animals, but if we are, then we are definitely a higher form of animal. There is a reason lions don't rule the earth. Please do not continue to insult my intellect.

The BBEG of a particular campaign happened to be a Djinn.

Through some interesting shenanigans the party managed to finagle a single wish out of the Djinn, as part of a contract the Djinn hadn't fulfilled that the party became the proprietors of.

This particular Djinn was well known for corrupt wishes, and the contract stipulated that the Djinn got to pick which of us got the wish. One of us had to make the wish right then and there, it was practically guaranteed to become twisted against us, and as soon as the wish was granted the Djinn would do everything in his power to destroy us.

To top things off, there was a Goblin in the party. The Djinn picked the Goblin to grant the wish to. None of the rest of us were allowed to help word the wish.

The whole group is terrified.

The goblin thinks about it for a while and then says to the Djinn "I wish you were a normal duck, forever."

The GMs face was priceless.

Any particular reason the Goblin wanted a duck? Just curious.

Eating intelligent humanoids counts as an evil act. See below.

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That's to gain power, though in this case I agree.

Avamira wrote:

Rynjin wrote:

What's so horrible about it?

You're supposed to use all parts of the animal, you know.

So now humans qualify as animals?

Survey says... yes.

And most people would say cannibalism is bad.

Issac Daneil wrote:

My players were convinced the ex-gardener of "Plot Device" garden was in on their recent smuggling. He was Color sprayed, dragged into his own home, and tied up, gagged, and blind folded. His home was ransacked, and when he came-to he has interrogated, assaulted, and revived. Ultimately, he was completely not involved.

Interrogated, assaulted, and revived? In that order?

The other players decided no harm no fowl, and their identities were concealed, so they left. The Drow Alchemist (C.N), decided that to 'best clean up the loose end', she should pour ALCHEMIST'S FIRE into his MOUTH.

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If it had been my PC in that situation, I would have just taken my sword and chopped that halfling into little pieces for pulling such a horrible prank. Such an individual is clearly a threat to society, and must be eradicated. It's a halfling with a really sick sense of humor.

Why? How is it a threat to society if he's using already dead meat? I did mention it was a tribal, true primitive archetyped barbarian, after all. It was the tribe's custom to honor the dead by not allowing any portion of their physical being to waste, lest the soul not find peace in the afterlife.

Perhaps you misunderstood the 'slaughtered villages' part? They were dead when we got there. The poor little tribal had no knowledge of alternate burial practices (no cleric in the party I might add), therefore, did as his tribe deemed.

If it was feeding the party the meat... Well, they never asked. IMO it wasn't very 'cruel', but I know many would. Unintended cruelty really....

The purposefully cruel part (in his mind) was using the skull of the BBEG's lover as a diseased material filled bomb during a castle siege....

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I'm pretty sure that several of the humanoid races do not qualify for animal.

And I'm pretty sure dragons, aboleths, megafauna, and many undead would disagree with you. Point being, depends on how ya look at it.

You're saying that eating human flesh is okay? Maybe it seemed okay to the halfling, but he never asked the other PCs whether they were fine with cannibalism, and he totally would have known that eating dead humans is a no-no in most cultures. So he is still guilty.

What's so horrible about it?

You're supposed to use all parts of the animal, you know.

So now humans qualify as animals?

Cruelest... Well, not as a GM, but my halfling tribal shaman (barbarian, True Primitive/Wild Rager, ranks in KN religion, alchemy, and cooking) had a habit of insisting of "seeing that all foes be correctly prepared for the after life", took the corpses, and disappeared into a tent for a little while.

Took the party over half the campaign to realize that the tribal halfling was actually dismantling the corpses, preserving and cooking the meat for their meals, using the skins and hair for various purposes ('parchment', 'rope', 'leather'), and using the bones as disposable weaponry/armor.

What made them do a triple-take was the fact that over the course of the campaign, he had done this for the slaughtered villages they'd come across as well... Yes, even the children... And they wondered where all the skulls full of caltrops and tanglefoot goop game from.

If it had been my PC in that situation, I would have just taken my sword and chopped that halfling into little pieces for pulling such a horrible prank. Such an individual is clearly a threat to society, and must be eradicated. It's a halfling with a really sick sense of humor.

There is a Shaman Class, people. Page 35 of the Advanced Class Guide.

Actually, there IS a Shaman class from Paizo. Page 35, Advanced Class Guide.

Like the Sylvari idea.

I think these races are very very cool. They are not too overpowered and they are interesting. The idea of having a race that has wings but can only fly once they gain enough HD is something I never thought of before. It makes the race not too overpowered yet still useful. Is it okay if I use them in my campaign?