The Godsrain Prophecies Part Seven

Wednesday, March 20, 2024

Something that I have been mulling over for some time (but have yet to mention in these annotations) is the naming of the Godsrain Prophecies. By the time I first heard of them, they had already been given that title, but nothing I have read so far has given me any indication as to how or why. Personally, I would never presume to name a collection of this potential impact and importance without a very clear reason, lest I end up in a repeat of the Fatal Four disaster. (To think that one scribe’s decision to include a bit of wordplay in their recounting of a minor historical prophecy would lead to not one but two assassinations is truly beyond the pale!) Issues like this are the reason that Lorminos insisted I read Notorious Names and Narrative Novelties: Navigating the Nuance of Nomenclature early on in my studies (a book that could easily have been 150 pages instead of over 700, in my personal opinion). While I must make reading these prophecies a priority, I will also endeavor to track down the origin of the word Godsrain. For one thing, it is possible there was a mistaken transcription somewhere along the line. Perhaps they should instead be known as the God’s Reign Prophecies, alluding to the end of a specific god’s reign? It is something to at least consider.

–Yivali, Apprentice Researcher for the Lady of Graves




The “Death” of Zon-Kuthon

Shelyn has tried countless times to touch the heart of Zon-Kuthon, but in the end her music is what dooms the Midnight Lord. He’s long ignored his sister’s tears, no matter how they stream or pool, collecting any that he can and using them as salt to rub into followers’ wounds. Her pleading declarations he considers almost background noise, a counterpoint that makes the pain that echoes through the Netherworld sound that much more divine. But when she finds the beauty in the way his Kuthites scream and whimper, weaves together suffering into a string of rousing chords, builds melodies from dripping blood and rhythms from a clanging chain? Only she could find the art in all the suffering he wields, a dulcet murmuring that calls out from an orchestra of pain. Dou-bral, brother, I love you still. Dou-bral, come back to me.

With newfound strength, Dou-bral returns, soul breaking through its cage of bones and kicking out the usurper who’d lived beneath his skin. But even free he’s trapped inside a body built for cruelty, his face a mask of agony that tells a brutal story—scars and cries and sharpened blades, blood and tears and pain. The anguish he has known and caused, the torment Zon-Kuthon embraced—how can he reconcile himself with all he now remembers? He tries to flee back to his cell, to turn back into what he was, but Zon-Kuthon is memory now and only he remains.

Dou-bral can feel divinity like sparks beneath his fingertips, but with all that he’s done and been, he cannot now reward himself and let himself play god. He takes the power in his hands (so good now at destroying things) and rips it from his very being, leaving something more than man but less than deity. He stumbles from the Netherworld, his ears ringing with tortured screams (most of which are not his own), and makes his way to Pangolais, as if Zon-Kuthon’s capital will help him understand the things his other self has done. And when Shelyn walks next to him, her arm outstretched in kindness, the glaive she’d taken from him offered up with open hands, he turns his back and walks away, her music souring in his ears, reminding him of every chain he used to break their father.

Art and beauty pay a price for all that Shelyn’s sacrificed—the nightmares that disturbed her rest as she crafted a song of pain, the knowledge that Dou-bral is back but still wrapped up in suffering, the loss she feels from victory that’s nothing like she’d hoped. In theaters and galleries, on stage and page and instrument, creative minds start struggling—the colors dim, the music fades, the movements don’t flow smoothly—and lovers’ disillusions grow as nothing feels the way it was, until the disappointment drives some life-long pairs apart, an echo of a sadness that she cannot seem to shake.

Dou-bral’s other flesh and blood, the spirit-wolf turned Prince in Chains, roams the grounds of Xovaikain, trying to fill the absence that his son has left behind. But for all his vicious howling, what is left of Thron is not a god, and soon two new contenders come with plans to claim the Netherworld—Asmodeus who wants to bring new pain to the unworthy, adding a few new items to the tools he has for torment, and Iomedae, who seeks to free the souls still left within the realm, turning their search for pain into a sacrifice for glory. Neither willing to back down, they fortify positions, preparing for a battle that will change the Netherworld.

Far from the squabbling of the gods, Dou-bral travels through Nidal, hoping that he will find some path to redemption. Instead, he watches Cheliax, no longer held by ancient pact to stay within its borderlines, begin to take Nidalese lands, while members of the Umbral Court each claim to be Zon-Kuthon’s heir and stab each other in the back to claim his legacy.

An array of 20 portraits depicting the gods of the Pathfinder setting. Asmodeus, Cayden Cailean, Erastil, Nethys, Pharasma, Urgathoa, and Zon-Kuthon’s portraits have been marked “safe.”

Is the tainting of love and beauty worth Shelyn’s sacrifice if the shadow her brother’s replacement leaves behind remains to darken the world?





I will be completely honest here: Zon-Kuthon terrifies me! Always has. And yet this prophecy wasn’t scary at all. At least not to me. My Lady, I know, fears little, but I have been feeling the whole set of emotions during these annotations—terrified one minute and smiling the next. I truly thought I would be shivering after reading this, but I think I feel more sad than anything. Miss Shelyn trying so hard to free her brother and achieving her goal, only for him to reciprocate no love? It almost reminds me of my role in collecting these prophecies. I have wanted to be a part of something big to show my Lady how I can be of help to her for some time, and yet that means collecting a group of so-called prophecies that could be devastating in the wrong hands. It is odd to think of the gods having the same types of problems that the rest of us sometimes do. We revere them, and yet, especially as I read these prophecies, they seem more… mortal somehow? Or not. I hope that doesn’t sound too disrespectful. Best to leave this line of thought behind and move on to the next prophecy.


About the Author

Erin Roberts has been thrilled to be able to contribute a few small threads to the fabric of Golarion in the pages of books like Lost Omens Firebrands, Lost Omens Highhelm, and Lost Omens Travel Guide. In addition to her work for Paizo, she freelances across the TTRPG world (and was selected as a Diana Jones Award Emerging Designer Program Winner in 2023), has had fiction published in magazines including Asimov’s, Clarkesworld, and The Dark, and talks about writing every week on the Writing Excuses podcast. Catch up with her latest at linktr.ee/erinroberts.

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That's a bingo!


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Notorious Names and Narrative Novelties: Navigating the Nuance of Nomenclature

I want this book in my life.

And bravo for getting seven N's in a row!

I know Erin had much greater achievements in writing these, but this is still one nonetheless.

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Another week, another chance we might get a dead Abadar. Lets effin gooooo! :P


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That's a bingo!

Are bingos... interesting?


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Oh man, there goes my bracket!

I was figuring Zon-Kuthon's death would be to merge with Shelyn. Comedy and Tragedy together, as divine pathos (like theater masks).

Also, Yivali calling her "Miss Shelyn" is just adorable!


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Fascinating, I'd heard a ton of people theorize that Zon Kuthon was on the chopping block for a variety of reasons, it really feels like we're getting these put out in order of "who everyone expected to fall when this was announced", which just makes it all the more interesting that it might not be any of them.


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ZK's redemption being more than he can bear is a fun angle on that potentiality. It's interesting that Shelyn seems to break almost as hard as he does here! Finding the beauty in millennia of torture is not without consequences...


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I love this. This is the best "Death" for Zon-Kuthon, and while these are winding down nice to see there's some flexibility in the meaning of death.
But then of course it sets off so many other things, we still get to that fall out and another kind of grief.


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Fascinating, I'd heard a ton of people theorize that Zon Kuthon was on the chopping block for a variety of reasons, it really feels like we're getting these put out in order of "who everyone expected to fall when this was announced", which just makes it all the more interesting that it might not be any of them.

Well, almost no one was guessing Cayden or Erastil, so its probably just "whose deaths would be interesting enough to write about", which happens to also be a good way to guess who the actually gets killed.


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Okay, colour me surprised. I didn't think he'd be the one dying, but I was convinced they'd leave him and Shelyn uncertain amongst the final 10 to build suspense. Still, this was a very interesting story! That's twice now with the prophecies that we've "seen" a dead god, between Ihys and Dou-Bral. Maybe if Lamashtu gets one we could get a glimpse of Churchanus? Probably not, I'm just coping and coming up with ways Lamashtu might still survive.

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The plight of Dou-bral brings to mind Angel after being 'cursed' with a soul.


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First: Erin, thank you for another brilliant installment!

Second: I wonder when Yivali will realize why these are called "the Godsrain Prophecies."

Third: it's interesting that we technically didn't get a death with this one.

Fourth: we kind of got a two-fer, though. We saw what might happen to mortals if Shelyn died. That's appropriate for the twins. And the development had beforehand is evocative of Zon-Shelyn. Shelyn taking up aspects of her... technically not her brother, but at least he had some feeling for her.

Fifth: I think that the prophey's intent might be starting to work on Yivali. Assuming that she's right about the prophet hating divinity, then inspiring pity might also get the readers to see them as something less inspiring. That has implications for the prophet's identity, which might help us figure out who buys it.

Sixth: and we can officially ditch the alignment theory. It really is anybody's game now.


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Oh wow this one caused genuine ache.

Also I get more and more nervous for some of my favorite deities.

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That's a bingo!

I wasn't aware we were playing postage stamp!


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Zonny-boy lives, called it.

As I have said before, I seriously doubt we're going to lose a bad guy, given that this deific demise isn't being framed as "ding, dong, the witch is dead."

More relevant...

Yivali is adorable, as I have found most Nosoi given character voices to be. She and Umble both delight me.

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NightTrace wrote:
Another week, another chance we might get a dead Abadar. Lets effin gooooo! :P

Oh no. I agree with my nemesis.


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OmegaZ wrote:

Oh man, there goes my bracket!

I was figuring Zon-Kuthon's death would be to merge with Shelyn. Comedy and Tragedy together, as divine pathos (like theater masks).

You might be interested to know that there's a "Zon-Shelyn" of some sort coming to Starfinder 2e, but it's been said that's wholly separate from and unrelated to all of this.


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Third: it's interesting that we technically didn't get a death with this one.

well, there is Ego death.


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the Fatal Four disaster

Another mystery? Who dies among the Emerald Empress, Mano, the Persuader, Validus, and Tharok?


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I was completely wrong in my guesses. The fact that Sheyln also loses so much from this is terrifying.

I'm filled with fear for the Prismatic Ray.


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Another mystery? Who dies among the Emerald Empress, Mano, the Persuader, Validus, and Tharok?

no dude im pretty sure that was about the basketball tournament. you know. the sweet sixteen then the elite eight and then its the fatal four


Well. I was wrong about my little idea of how these would work out.

I find that I'm entirely okay with having been wrong.

I still expect the "two per row" thing, but apparently the old-style alignments isn't part of that.

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no dude im pretty sure that was about the basketball tournament. you know. the sweet sixteen then the elite eight and then its the fatal four

Yeah, except that it's a horror movie so you never get the finals because all of the players are dead.


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"Godsrain" vs gods "reign"

Significant?

Lots of musing about how gods seem a lot like mortals in some ways. is this also significant?

Are they in some way alluding to a semi mortalizing of gods or the semi deifying of mortals? as in some will fall from godhhood to a more semi mortal existence? Or taken literally in a different way a rain of their essence or power down on mortals making many mortals touched by their power?

Rabbit hole warning!
Ah maybe the inheritor diffuses her essence to empower mortals in a way that she actually sacrifices herself to do it? If so was it forced? if willing what could prompt the inheritor to take such a drastic measure?
And thus exemplars?


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This one was really cool (not that they all haven't been) but I liked the subversion of expectations here with his "death" & how it affected Shelyn.

My money is still on Rovagug being the ultimate death though, since so many gods are aligned against him that his destruction is enough to spark a war both because it means something would be stronger than the combined power of several gods (or is simply able to kill them somehow in spite of their divinity) so they have to act in self-preservation and his death would also disrupt the uneasy truce several gods have.

Course, I'm sure they'll do something else just because I said so.


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OmegaZ wrote:

Oh man, there goes my bracket!

I was figuring Zon-Kuthon's death would be to merge with Shelyn. Comedy and Tragedy together, as divine pathos (like theater masks).

You might be interested to know that there's a "Zon-Shelyn" of some sort coming to Starfinder 2e, but it's been said that's wholly separate from and unrelated to all of this.

Wait, really? Can you link me that? I was betting on ZK or Shelly this whole time based on Zon-Shelyn, so looks like I goofed.

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Wait, really? Can you link me that? I was betting on ZK or Shelly this whole time based on Zon-Shelyn, so looks like I goofed.

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Now an adult, Chk Chk has become a devout worshipper of the amalgamate deity, Zon-Shelyn, and believes in channeling suffering into artistic expression.

EDIT: Or if you mean the part where Starfinder has no bearing on which deity will die, Luis Loza:

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Starfinder canon has no bearing on whether a god will live or die. If a god exists in Starfinder, it does not guarantee that they will live. If a god doesn't exist in Starfinder, it doesn't mean they are among a "short list" of gods who could die.


You know after thinking about all this part of me want Rovagug to be the one who dies... taking Golairion out with him [thus the gap for starfinder]


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worldhopper wrote:


Wait, really? Can you link me that? I was betting on ZK or Shelly this whole time based on Zon-Shelyn, so looks like I goofed.

Starfinder Second Edition is Coming!

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Now an adult, Chk Chk has become a devout worshipper of the amalgamate deity, Zon-Shelyn, and believes in channeling suffering into artistic expression.

EDIT: Or if you mean the part where Starfinder has no bearing on which deity will die, Luis Loza:

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Starfinder canon has no bearing on whether a god will live or die. If a god exists in Starfinder, it does not guarantee that they will live. If a god doesn't exist in Starfinder, it doesn't mean they are among a "short list" of gods who could die.

Ahhhhh, gotcha, yeah, that second part was what I was looking for. I was really betting it'd be one of the twins dying, resulting in the other "absorbing" them/their spheres of influence & thus creating Zon-Shelyn. Rats! Foiled again.

Nervous for a lot of my favorites still on the block here. How many more of these will we get, again?


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I feel like we might already have a clue about the Godsrain/God's Reign thing--I have been reading the former as referring to the idea that bits of godstuff are going to be raining from the skies when the deity-to-die is torn asunder. Yivali of course knows nothing about this aspect of the event so highlights the name for possible meanings.

Of course there could still be plenty of hidden implications


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Nervous for a lot of my favorites still on the block here. How many more of these will we get, again?

10 in total, leaving 10 up in the air until the book comes out.

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worldhopper wrote:
Garrett Guillotte wrote:
worldhopper wrote:


Wait, really? Can you link me that? I was betting on ZK or Shelly this whole time based on Zon-Shelyn, so looks like I goofed.

Starfinder Second Edition is Coming!

Quote:
Now an adult, Chk Chk has become a devout worshipper of the amalgamate deity, Zon-Shelyn, and believes in channeling suffering into artistic expression.

EDIT: Or if you mean the part where Starfinder has no bearing on which deity will die, Luis Loza:

Quote:
Starfinder canon has no bearing on whether a god will live or die. If a god exists in Starfinder, it does not guarantee that they will live. If a god doesn't exist in Starfinder, it doesn't mean they are among a "short list" of gods who could die.

Ahhhhh, gotcha, yeah, that second part was what I was looking for. I was really betting it'd be one of the twins dying, resulting in the other "absorbing" them/their spheres of influence & thus creating Zon-Shelyn. Rats! Foiled again.

Nervous for a lot of my favorites still on the block here. How many more of these will we get, again?

Today was 7 out of 10. Then we let you stew until April 16th, when we make the announcement.


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So I’ve got two theories, one of which this plays into nicely. The main thing to remember is the upcoming book is called War of Immortals. Whose death would not just be tragic, but start a war between survivors?
For pure emotional impact, the answer is Shelyn. Disrupt the throuple, and either Zon does it or it does something to him, drag out some brotherly desire for vengeance.
My other thought, I’ve heard the implication that none of the gods poke too deeply into Golarion because it’s Rovagug’s prison. Everyone’s got eyes on the planet, keeps a following there, but nobody gets in outright fights around it for fear of cracking the Beast’s cage. If the monster in everybody’s basement bites it (and its chunks start bursting out of volcanoes the world over)… suddenly a whole lot of old grievances can be aired out here and now.
I look forward to being proven wrong next week!


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Ooh this is a concept I hadn't even CONSIDERED, and I love it for that. Not a death, here, but a transformation; still, every transformation is a death of what had been, and "was it worth it" is a question everybody has to answer for themselves.

My current thought is that the "hint as to what will happen with the Prismatic Ray" FEELS like it's saying "Shelyn will be affected by whatever happens, and a change in one member changes the whole relationship". But also that feels too obvious, but ALSO sometimes people bank on "it's too obvious" to hide something in plain sight.
Looking at that concept more indirectly, it could be alluding to a non-Shelyn member being deeply affected by something.

I really loved the detail, of both Asmodeus and Iomedae moving in; Asmodeus makes sense, both with his general nature and with Cheliax, but IOMEDAE, that, I hadn't seen coming, but I get it, with how it's explained.

Honestly this one seems the coolest so far to me. Like, this would be a cool direction to take things. But I can see why they wouldn't have chosen it; with such a big switch-up, you'd want the players to get involved somehow, and there's really nothing a bunch of adventurers can do for "he hears her singing for the drillionth time but NOW it hits him".

Hm. Trying to remember which all deities have been specifically mentioned in the other prophecies, if there's any kind of pattern. Here, there's Shelyn of course, but also Asmodeus and Iomedae. Looking up the rest....
Nethys: Pharasma, Irori (still not sure why Irori was mentioned but that just might be my lack of lore knowledge)
Erastil: Sarenrae, ZK, Norgorber, Iomedae, CC, Gorum, Asmodeus, Calistria (makes sense there's so many as ALL of them are terrified by it)
Urgathoa: Arazni
CC: Iomedae, Norgorber (makes sense as they're directly impacted by the rumours)
Asmodeus: Ihys, Pharasma, Sarenrae (I'm not counting Rovagug)
Pharasma: Urgathoa, Groetus
...yeah I got nothing.

Here's something Yvali might consider, in her "translation" hunt: "rain" <- "precipitation" <- "fall".

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Nooooooo! my bet was on this guy =(

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Well, well, well.

The Prince of Pain lives, eh? Well, he survives, I'm not sure I'd call it living here.

That leaves open that War of Immortals will go big!

Abadar (Civilization tossed into chaos), Gozreh (For the environmental Chaos their death could cause), Gorum (dies fighting the God Eater ushering in a War for his Helmet?), or Arazni will kill Iomedae for the Veiled Master plot she is! I kid on the last one.

Oooor will the God Eater devour Sarenrae? Mirroring Skoll and Sol?

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Shelyn making art out of others' suffering reminded me of the Toreador Antitribu. Not a pretty way to change. And once again mortals suffer for it.

It is the tale that I enjoyed the least for now. Likely because we do not know what happened to Dou Bral's usurper.

But it is still the death of Zon-Kuthon. As a concept, as an identity, the patron of Nidal is no more. And it is the death of Nidal too.

I think we will not get Shelyn as Safe now.

And maybe she will be the deity truly dying. She is the one beloved by the most of them and ZK would likely change a lot if she died. With all the impact it would have on Nidal, it would indeed make for stories never told before.


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So I'm expecting one from each of the three rows that don't have two. I'm expecting godstuff to come raining down on Golarion at some point. I think... the question of what happens if Rovagug dies is really interesting. So... having had Nethys come off of the "either one of the ten or the one" seat, I'm going to put him up on it. I expect that either we're going to get a story about him or he's going to die. Further, for other reasons I dont' actually expect him to be the dead one, so I'm leaning the former.

My guesses for "deity most likely to bite it" continue to be either Gorum (boring, and not in a useful way, with few to mourn his passing - more interesting dead than alive) or Sarenrae (various hints and implications).

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After we got Pharasma and Asmodeus Safe. I tried my luck at guessing. For the moment, I missed Cayden Cailean and Urgathoa becoming Safe, but I guessed right for Erastil, Nethys and Zon-Kuthon. Wonder if the last 3 Safe will be on my right guess list too.

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But it is still the death of Zon-Kuthon. As a concept, as an identity, the patron of Nidal is no more. And it is the death of Nidal too.

You just clicked something for me. Zon-Kuthon/Dou-Bral are representative/embodiment of Goya, Claudel, Schumann, and their ilk. Given how Dou-Bral returned here, I'm not even sure there ever was anything from the Dark Tapestry involved with his descent into madness. Perhaps visiting there triggered it but the madness was always there. There is no Dark Tapestry entity, there is only Dou-bral and his own tortured soul.

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But it is still the death of Zon-Kuthon. As a concept, as an identity, the patron of Nidal is no more. And it is the death of Nidal too.

You just clicked something for me. Zon-Kuthon/Dou-Bral are representative/embodiment of Goya, Claudel, Schumann, and their ilk. Given how Dou-Bral returned here, I'm not even sure there ever was anything from the Dark Tapestry involved with his descent into madness. Perhaps visiting there triggered it but the madness was always there. There is no Dark Tapestry entity, there is only Dou-bral and his own tortured soul.

The story states that he did kick out "the usurper who’d lived beneath his skin" though.

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The Raven Black wrote:
Anorak wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:


But it is still the death of Zon-Kuthon. As a concept, as an identity, the patron of Nidal is no more. And it is the death of Nidal too.

You just clicked something for me. Zon-Kuthon/Dou-Bral are representative/embodiment of Goya, Claudel, Schumann, and their ilk. Given how Dou-Bral returned here, I'm not even sure there ever was anything from the Dark Tapestry involved with his descent into madness. Perhaps visiting there triggered it but the madness was always there. There is no Dark Tapestry entity, there is only Dou-bral and his own tortured soul.
The story states that he did kick out "the usurper who’d lived beneath his skin" though.

Which to me relates to Dissociative identity disorder (DID) as does this He tries to flee back to his cell, to turn back into what he was, but Zon-Kuthon is memory now and only he remains.


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... And here I was bracing myself to adjust to Zon-Kuthon's death, comforted in the knowledge that Paizo was going to do a good job of it and that Starfinder's Zon-Shelyn would be a replacement for a lot of character concepts. With Erastil cleared as well, that leaves all my remaining chips on Sarenrae.

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I was really expecting Sarenrae to be this week's entry. She's specifically mentioned as now being the most powerful empyreal lord and reigning over all the others in Monster Core, and it would seem weird to print that in a brand new book months before offing her, IMO.


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Woof, that was a good one. Off I go to read Erin's other short fiction, I guess.


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Okay, that's a brilliant spin, because Shelyn does it, only to discover she can't just undo millennia of self-inflicted suffering - Dou-Bral is still the god of despair, just of a different kind than Zon-Kuthon.

This comes off as the writer going up to her and shouting in her face to stop living in the past - let go, and begin again.

Though Arzani is likely most pleased to have someone join the Divine PTSD club to trauma dump at each other.

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This one made me feel real sad. It's an interesting take on the classic redemption arc, and honestly it's something people should take into account when writing them: A redemption arc doesn't absolve a character of the things they did before they decided to change, and that's REALLY rough to deal with. Redemption and forgiveness are two very different things.


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Asmodeus and Iomedae squaring up to war for control of the Netherworld sounds like the Glorious Reclamation done on an even grander scale, and I would honestly love to run a campaign in that setting.

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This one made me feel real sad. It's an interesting take on the classic redemption arc, and honestly it's something people should take into account when writing them: A redemption arc doesn't absolve a character of the things they did before they decided to change, and that's REALLY rough to deal with. Redemption and forgiveness are two very different things.

TBH I definitely did not read it as the redemption of either Zon-Kuthon or Dou Bral.

So Shelyn did go to the dark side and mortals suffered for it and she came back empty-handed.

We sure do have a lot of selfish/short-sighted deities in these stories.

Feels like all of them got a severe case of Arodenitis. A divine illness that turns a deity into the worst self-centered short-sighted jerk possible with terrible consequences for their worshippers.


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I maintain my hope that Stolen Fate's mention of the sun is a fake-out, pointing to the deities of Mzali instead of Sarenrae... but I admit, I'm starting to sweat.

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