Faction Evolution, Part II: Secrets and Liberty

Monday, June 23, 2014


Illustration by Alex Aparin

Two weeks ago, we briefly discussed the impact of faction PCs' decisions in the campaign and how these decisions have shaped the direction that these factions are going. Last week on the Know Direction podcast, John Compton expanded on what this evolution might entail for many factions: name changes, shifting goals, and even changes in leadership.

As advertised over a year ago, the so-called nation-based factions have spent the past season (or longer for some like the Cheliax faction) distancing themselves from their parent countries to embrace less territorial and more broadly philosophical endeavors. When the Pathfinder Society Organized Play leaders began discussing how factions would change, we looked at the reporting numbers contributed by players worldwide and carefully considered how the faction might change to reflect this information while still appealing to a large percentage of its members. For example, members of the Silver Crusade faction tend to be good guys, so changing that faction to be neutrally aligned would discourage a lot of players.

This week we're sharing the direction that two of our factions are heading (new faction symbols will come a bit later). Be warned that there are some minor spoilers from Season 5 scenarios referenced below.

Dark Archive: In Darkness Lies Enlightenment

It's been more than a year since Chelish officials condemned faction leader Paracountess Zarta Dralneen on false charges. Because the accusation and punishment were largely off the record, there was little context for Cheliax to apologize, formally withdraw the charges, or invite Zarta to resume her duties as a liaison to the Pathfinder Society. Even Zarta's agents have not escaped blame entirely. It's a bitter reminder that the servants of Hell are hardly forgiving.

Since then, Zarta has worked from Korvosa to consolidate what remained of her faction, and to her surprise, the Pathfinder Society has extended a hand to help on multiple occasions. As a result, Zarta finds her professional relationship with the Society has grown stronger. As her agents stay busy recovering powerful artifacts and tomes that they might use to track down the faction's enemies and defend themselves against future betrayals, Zarta has corresponded with the Society's leaders to carve out a niche for her organization.

What resulted is a major victory for the faction, for Zarta has convinced the three Masters that she and her agents are uniquely suited to handle dangerous relics. Not only does this cover for the evil artifacts that the faction has recovered, but it has also earned an invitation to begin cataloguing the vast array of perilous finds the Society has acquired and then promptly hidden away for later study. Zarta intends to accept the offer and found a dark archive, giving her faction access to untold numbers of forbidden texts and relics—purportedly to catalogue and better understand these objects, but also as a backdoor for her agents to gain power from sinister sources.

How will the Cheliax faction be different? Despite being estranged from Cheliax, the faction still values order and law. These are worthy end goals in their own right, and they are also potent mantras in maintaining a positive working relationship with the Pathfinder Society. Any betrayal of that trust must be a calculated one. In many ways, the new Dark Archive faction is still the “bad guy” option that the Cheliax faction has always been, but its reason for being welcome in the Society is stronger.

Liberty's Edge: In Pursuit of True Liberty

Almost a year ago, Major Colson Maldris learned of a thriving contingent of statesmen—many who had held noble titles before the People's Revolt—who had established themselves as the new nobility of Andoran. Of course, these career politicians were not embracing this lifestyle publically; doing so would invite criminal charges. Instead they have built up networks of political and economic power that keep them perpetually elected to office, in control of major industries, in a position to shape a new generation of leaders through favors and cronyism.

These corrupt leaders represent only a small fraction of Andoran's elected leaders, and much of the nation still operates in a manner true to its founding principles. Nonetheless, it is a chilling reminder that the great democratic experiment is not without its flaws. With the help of Pathfinder agents, Maldris has tracked down enough evidence to accuse a few criminals in high places, but his attempts to demonstrate how deep the corruption runs has met with pushback from both the crooked and the honest. So long as his faction operates as a direct extension of Andoran, the faux-nobility can track Maldris's attempts to root them out. The only way to save Andoran is to leave Andoran—at least for now.

What does this mean for Andoran going forward? Well, in some ways little has changed. For example, Maldris still seeks to help other throw off the shackles of tyranny and bring freedom to all people. Now, though, the faction's reason for doing this has expanded beyond altruism. In studying others' philosophies and techniques, faction PCs can borrow strategies that might help Maldris hunt corruption at home and abroad.

Happy gaming,

John Compton and Mike Brock
Developer and Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator

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The Exchange 5/5 *****

pauljathome wrote:
Uh, let's put our evil devil worshippers in charge of our evil artifacts? What could POSSIBLY go wrong with that cunning plan?

Nothing whatsoever citizen. If you have a complaint I would be happy to correct any misunderstandings on which it would clearly be based.

Liberty's Edge 4/5

As long as Major Maldris is still working to overthrow the shackles of slavery, I'll still be around to help!

Silver Crusade 4/5

Matthew Starch wrote:
pauljathome wrote:
Uh, let's put our evil devil worshippers in charge of our evil artifacts? What could POSSIBLY go wrong with that cunning plan?
Blame Drandle Dreng.

Don't we always? Not that it's inappropriate - it usually IS his fault.

3/5

Carlos Robledo wrote:
People still give faction handouts for those?! What?!

Yeah, the general dismissal of factions and their role at the table has really turned me away from the PFS this Season. I'm wondering whether their importance will be renewed in Season 6, and if the first five Seasons will feel that renewal.

-Matt

5/5 ***

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook Subscriber

Will the old shirts still get you a re-roll?

Liberty's Edge 5/5 5/55/55/5

CAW.... this is a change in the Andoran faction? Its been what half of us have been doing for years...

Liberty's Edge 4/5

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Corvus Cailean wrote:
CAW.... this is a change in the Andoran faction? Its been what half of us have been doing for years...

Indeed, friend Corvusss, I agree. When the Lantern Lodge completed itsss mission here in the Inner Sssea lassst year, and I had to choossse new loyaltiesss, I ssswore my sssword to Andoran'sss causss of freedom, not to the local politicsss of the nation itssself.

4/5 **

Interesting changes... I will have to think about what stories this can generate for my PCs. Love that everyone gets a faction change, so that we can either leave or join the new faction changes. (Can we do unrelated changes, like Taldor to Silver Crusade for free, as well?)

Grand Lodge 4/5 Global Organized Play Coordinator

Walter Helgason wrote:
Will the old shirts still get you a re-roll?

Yes

Grand Lodge 4/5 Global Organized Play Coordinator

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GM Lamplighter wrote:

(Can we do unrelated changes, like Taldor to Silver Crusade for free, as well?)

Yes

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Michael Brock wrote:
GM Lamplighter wrote:
(Can we do unrelated changes, like Taldor to Silver Crusade for free, as well?)
Yes

O.O

Excellent!

Silver Crusade 5/5

Michael Brock wrote:
GM Lamplighter wrote:

(Can we do unrelated changes, like Taldor to Silver Crusade for free, as well?)

Yes

Thank you.

ah, when would we be able to do this? when would it be legal?

Dark Archive 5/5

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Signifier Antonius Gallonica wrote:
pauljathome wrote:
Uh, let's put our evil devil worshippers in charge of our evil artifacts? What could POSSIBLY go wrong with that cunning plan?
Nothing whatsoever citizen. If you have a complaint I would be happy to correct any misunderstandings on which it would clearly be based.

All hail the Darkive!

Grand Lodge 4/5 Global Organized Play Coordinator

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Percy Footman wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
GM Lamplighter wrote:

(Can we do unrelated changes, like Taldor to Silver Crusade for free, as well?)

Yes

Thank you.

ah, when would we be able to do this? when would it be legal?

The first day of Season 6.

4/5 5/5 ***

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Looking forward to the changes here. Love the name "Dark Archive."

Scarab Sages 4/5 5/55/55/5 **** Venture-Captain, Australia—NSW—Greater West

Pure speculation...I am expecting the other three nation based factions to have a similar change...with the Osirion faction more closely aligned to the Jeweled Sages. I think this would be a good thing. But speculation only :)

5/5 5/55/55/5

More than speculation for the osirions. It was announced on know direction that they're becoming the scarab sages and focusing more on knowledge.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

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Mattastrophic wrote:
Carlos Robledo wrote:
People still give faction handouts for those?! What?!

Yeah, the general dismissal of factions and their role at the table has really turned me away from the PFS this Season. I'm wondering whether their importance will be renewed in Season 6, and if the first five Seasons will feel that renewal.

-Matt

I dunno, the respective faction things that are brought into season 5 scenarios has been pretty significant so far.

3/5

Andrew Christian wrote:
I dunno, the respective faction things that are brought into season 5 scenarios has been pretty significant so far.

Well, I GMed both Stolen Heir and Library of the Lion for Taldor PCs, and I didn't see anything more involved than very simple requests resolved by a single skill check or by merely looting rooms, akin to the old way. One of the two even involved handing out a note from the faction head. So if there is significance, I didn't see it.

-Matt

Silver Crusade 5/5

Love it!!! My Andorans will feel more at home and My newest character was my first test drive of the Chelaxians, but I'll be switching a bunch of my characters there as well as too the Scarab Sages... Counting the days til GenCon!!!

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Mattastrophic wrote:
Andrew Christian wrote:
I dunno, the respective faction things that are brought into season 5 scenarios has been pretty significant so far.

Well, I GMed both Stolen Heir and Library of the Lion for Taldor PCs, and I didn't see anything more involved than very simple requests resolved by a single skill check or by merely looting rooms, akin to the old way. One of the two even involved handing out a note from the faction head. So if there is significance, I didn't see it.

-Matt

Then you should probably check out Horn of Aroden.

Some of the faction plots don't become immediately understood until you've seen the end game. But, and especially in Library of the Lion, not sure how you didn't see the culture of Taldor and Glorianna Morilla's mission literally written all throughout.

Scarab Sages 4/5 5/55/55/5 **** Venture-Captain, Australia—NSW—Greater West

BigNorseWolf wrote:
More than speculation for the osirions. It was announced on know direction that they're becoming the scarab sages and focusing more on knowledge.

Nice to see. Was there anything about the other two nations??

I will be listening to the podcast, but it is yet to hit my Know Direction RSS feed :)

3/5

Andrew Christian wrote:
Some of the faction plots don't become immediately understood until you've seen the end game. But, and especially in Library of the Lion, not sure how you didn't see the culture of Taldor and Glorianna Morilla's mission literally written all throughout.

I remember engaging my players with what I knew of the culture of Taldor and Glorianna Morilla's mission, but that was all me adding to what was written without violating Run As Written. I didn't really sense anything devoted to the Taldor faction...

other than:
other than a very simple "find the item" quest.

So I guess if what you're referring to is literally written all throughout, I must have been too out of touch to understand the Taldor faction.

-Matt

3/5

My poor dash one, Vaer. He has faction credit with Lantern Lodge, Shadow Lodge and most recently with Andoran. It seems he is the death curse to factions. He joins one and they shortly fall to pieces :(

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Mattastrophic wrote:
Andrew Christian wrote:
Some of the faction plots don't become immediately understood until you've seen the end game. But, and especially in Library of the Lion, not sure how you didn't see the culture of Taldor and Glorianna Morilla's mission literally written all throughout.

I remember engaging my players with what I knew of the culture of Taldor and Glorianna Morilla's mission, but that was all me adding to what was written without violating Run As Written. I didn't really sense anything related to the Taldor faction...

** spoiler omitted **

So I guess if what you're referring to is literally written all throughout, I must have been too out of touch to understand the Taldor faction.

-Matt

Library of the Lion:
The puzzle that helps you get into the secret vault is laden with Taldan stuff (most notably Prince Stavian III) and a lot of the information you gather while there talks about the Shining Crusade. You are literally collecting books on tactics and such from the Shining Crusade to help out Morilla's new Army of Exploration. Indeed, one of the bits of information they find leads directly to the item in "The Horn of Aroden".

I'm sure you are quite well aware of Taldan information. I know you've done your research for your main character, which I've had the luxury to sit with at the same table (Paizo Con 2012 with Ryan Bolduan as GM in Chasm of Screams).

But typically, human beings, when they go into a situation with a preconceived notion, can have a tendency to see what they want or expect to see.

I'm not quite sure what more, within the word count that they have, you would have liked to have seen in Library of the Lion to make it more Taldan.

Additionally, the information (more or less for Silver Crusade), given in Weapon in the Rift, was absolutely stunning in its deliciousness for world lore.

Silver Crusade 5/5

I find it interesting that people are talking of the demise of Eagle Knights from the Liberty's Edge, but if you scroll up you'll see two battling a slaver.... Hmmmm

3/5

Andrew Christian wrote:
I'm not quite sure what more, within the word count that they have, you would have liked to have seen in Library of the Lion to make it more Taldan.

Where do I start...:

-Some canonical details on "the mysterious lady."
-A scene in the opera house itself, where the PCs interact with influential members of Taldan society.
-The introduction of a named Lion Blade NPC who is a recurring character in the Taldor story.
-Some provisions for the PCs needing to blend into the local culture.
-An explanation for why Muesello is still alive after the events of The Dalsine Affair.
-A summary of the contents of the thing Lady Morilla sends the Taldor PCs to get.
-Maybe some consequences, political and/or material, for breaking into the Lion Blades' secret base, stealing things, and getting spotted.
-An adventure that, at its core, is more fitting of the setting than "VC X sends you to Place Y to steal Z."

Now don't get me wrong, I had a ton of fun GMing Library of the Lion. It was essentially an opportunity for me to talk about Taldor. However, I had to insert all that goodness myself, and I would have had to violate Run As Written and write my own canon to make something special for the Taldor PC.

The Stolen Heir, of course, well, the faction-involvement of that one is more obvious.

But it's OK. I seem to have had the preconceived notion that the faction-specific content would be rather involved, and I guess I expected a bit too much involvement. To end this side-chat, I guess I'm hoping Season 6 takes the ideas behind Season 5's shift and renews the role of factions at the table.

-Matt

Liberty's Edge 4/5 *

Fromper wrote:
Matthew Starch wrote:
pauljathome wrote:
Uh, let's put our evil devil worshippers in charge of our evil artifacts? What could POSSIBLY go wrong with that cunning plan?
Blame Drandle Dreng.
Don't we always? Not that it's inappropriate - it usually IS his fault.

That's right. It's his fault for constantly waking us up in the middle of the night. A well-rested Pathfinder is an effective Pathfinder.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Maybe I'm just a Taldor-noob, but my run of Library of the Lion was a treasure trove of Taldan lore for myself and my players.

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Well, my Lantern Lodge member got boned when that went away. So now my Paladin and Ranger who are Silver Crusade are going to get boned too? Hope not. I really don't want another two characters in Grand Lodge.

Shadow Lodge

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Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

This movement toward nation-less factions seems to beg the return of the shadow lodge.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Joshua N Hancock wrote:
Fromper wrote:
Matthew Starch wrote:
pauljathome wrote:
Uh, let's put our evil devil worshippers in charge of our evil artifacts? What could POSSIBLY go wrong with that cunning plan?
Blame Drandle Dreng.
Don't we always? Not that it's inappropriate - it usually IS his fault.
That's right. It's his fault for constantly waking us up in the middle of the night. A well-rested Pathfinder is an effective Pathfinder.

Why haven't they killed off this old coot? He was a dinosaur in season 0... The many jest of him being a lich may be true....

3/5

TriOmegaZero wrote:
Maybe I'm just a Taldor-noob, but my run of Library of the Lion was a treasure trove of Taldan lore for myself and my players.

Oh, the treasure trove is there, but it's not really on the page; it's in the minds of the GM and the players who are interested in hearing what the GM has to say. It's an opportunity, not a codex. I filled in and improvised a looooot of details when I ran it.

But the unique experience the Taldor PC receives for having chosen the faction? I didn't see much of one in either Stolen Heir or Library of the Lion. Did I miss something?

And if there was one... I don't believe it at all makes up for the dismissal of factions' importance at the table in Seasons 0-4. I am hoping that Season 6 changes direction and makes them matter again.

-Matt

Liberty's Edge 4/5 *

PMSchulz wrote:
Well, my Lantern Lodge member got boned when that went away. So now my Paladin and Ranger who are Silver Crusade are going to get boned too? Hope not. I really don't want another two characters in Grand Lodge.

What makes you think Silver Crusade is going away? The shift being discussed is about the nation-affiliated factions (Taldor, Andoran, Cheliax, Qadira, and Osirion) becoming less about the respective countries and more about the philosophies that underpin them.

5/5 5/55/55/5

Library of the lion:
She was looking for a historical record of a female ruler ascending the throne and she found one: meaning that the more pathfinder friendly and crusade gung ho female leader becomming heir to the throne is a real possibility. I don't see how that would push the taldor faction away from the nation though. The only place i could see taldor going is an arts culture and fashion frou-frou faction

Grand Lodge 4/5

I love the changes, especially the Dark Archive! My Grand Lodge character will probably join this faction.

How will this work though?

1) Will he still count as Grand Lodge for the faction-specific boons he got before the faction change?

2) Does he have to change the day season 6 starts, or can he do so once he had the chance of playing the end of season 5 for Grand Lodge (particularly "Vengeance at Sundered Crag" and "The Paths we Choose" - the latter I'll be able to play in one year only, since the only Con in my country plays the specials almost one year after their release)?

3) He picked the faction-specific trait "Observant". Will he be allowed to keep it, or must he retrain it for another trait (possibly a Dark Archive trait)?

5/5 5/55/55/5

The grand lodge has boons?

*ducks*

Liberty's Edge 2/5

Of course there are boons! Boons are different for each faction, just sometimes you have to know where to look. I just happen to believe the "Cheliax" ones, are equal to laying with the Paracountess. >.>

Sovereign Court 4/5

Her Imperial Majesty, Princess Eutropia, future Empress of Taldor would like to recommend the Ninth Legion as a Taldan Army of Exploration to help assist the Pathfinders in their search for lost treasures, artifacts and items of historical note. As you may know the Ninth Legion consists of specialists within the empire that are trained to operate in unconventional and difficult conditions. I understand the Society has lost a number of Agents to the fiends of the Worldwound and would no doubt be needing talented recruits.

The Princess also recommends, my uncle, Lord Valakan of House Vadan to lead this as Lady Morilla has been called back to the Imperial court for a greater role in the Empire.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

First time I've ever been interested in <what was once> Cheliax Faction, but kind of meh on Andoran, which has been one of my favorites. Kind of seems to say a lot without actually saying much beyond the plot point of a scenario.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

My guess on Taldor is that they are going to break away from the Empire with a host of new found allies trying to push for change and stuff, (basically the extremely cliché push for Princess Eutropia to be the one true heir, because otherwise each and every Taldor Paladin would fall for supporting her illegal claim).

What I doubtfully hope, however, is that both Grand Prince Stavian III and Princess Eutropia are outright assassinated, (heck, maybe they where both secretly members of the Decem and GMT just slits their throats in broad daylight), and the Empire gets thrown into disarray, leaving the Faction a bit powerless outside of it's allies. Deciding to become true guardians of Humanities glory, join with the PFS (amongst many other much more important and relevant groups) to cradle their knowledge of the past and stand ready for the Empire to once more be ready and worthy of it, or something.

Sczarni 3/5 RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

I love how the factions will be distanced from nations. That has been one thing that has irked me for a while. Great change!

Dark Archive

Bob, "see Ogre it all worked out. Zarta's just a nice librarian....."

Ogre replies, "good luck with that bluff, you're not fool in anybody."

Sovereign Court

Scaramanga, "I wonder how dear Taldor will fare in this Knick Knack?"

"Eh boss ole Glory will bring us through. Or we'll join the Darkive...win/win."

5/5 5/55/55/5

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That is taking the naughty librarian to entirely new levels.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

@Marrastrophic:
If you are referring to me, I was going off of the Inner Sea World Guide: "Taldor has always followed the right of primogeniture (only first born male child is the heir), but Grand Prince Stavian has no male heir. His only child, Princess Eutropia, is disgusted with the stagnation of Taldan society and decided in her recent youth to force Taldor to join the modern world. She intends to inherit the throne upon her father’s death, by force if necessary, and has grand plans to restore Taldor to its former glory." as well as the idea that Taldor (as a nation) is being retconned in cannon. It's just speculation, but I can't think of another way to remove the Faction from the nation that leaves it really at all relate to what the Taldor Faction might kind of be at it's heart. The only real philosophy that Taldor stands for is regaining it's lost glory and being the leaders (or ralliers) of mankind.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Does this mean that Zarta is now in charge of the "66 geas-compelled prisoners" transcribing field reports in the Repository of the Grand Lodge of Absalom?

Grand Lodge 4/5

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Wow. I just remembered that my Chelaxian oracle's day job is Profession: Scribe.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Michael Brock wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:

My Cheliax PC no longer fits there but I do have Grand Lodge PC that now does. Is the free faction change going to be open to all factions or only to those that get some kind of change?

My Andoran PC fits in perfectly!

It is a free faction change that is open to all factions.

Wow! I never thought about that – faction change along with this faction. If the Dark Archives has no affiliation with the House of Thrune, which appears in the message, this seems plausible with my Paladin.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

I should note my intention, the study of the artifact's and destroy them, in that order. It might take some thinking through in order to get the RP correct.

My character is tired of getting orders to "hit" someone in order to cover Colsons malfeasance in that he wishes to continue them.

This has been disappointing. My character should have lost his Paladin hood long-ago doing these kind of faction missions but, it is the way the game is designed to run.

Using knowledge plot hook, that is how some of my prestige points have been acquired. It was done in combination with other characters in order to soften the aiding and abetting.

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