Here's a neat trick. Is it legal?
When a non-spellcasting character enters the spherewalker PrC, it gains divine spellcasting equal to double the PrC's class level, & access to all of Desna's domain spells. If the character multiclassed further, into another PrC that advances divine spellcasting (like the divine scion from ISM), would the rate of spellcasting advance at the same rate (two caster levels per PrC level, & one spell level per PrC level)?
Would a fighter 5/spherewalker 5/divine scion 10 have a 30th caster level, & access to all of Desna's domain spells, levels 1-9? That's only 5-6 spells known per level (there is a bit of overlap) & probably only 2 spells per level memorized. Not very feasible, but a caster level 30 holy word is pretty nasty.
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Here's a neat trick. Is it legal?
When a non-spellcasting character enters the spherewalker PrC, it gains divine spellcasting equal to double the PrC's class level, & access to all of Desna's domain spells. If the character multiclassed further, into another PrC that advances divine spellcasting (like the divine scion from ISM), would the rate of spellcasting advance at the same rate (two caster levels per PrC level, & one spell level per PrC level)?
Would a fighter 5/spherewalker 5/divine scion 10 have a 30th caster level, & access to all of Desna's domain spells, levels 1-9? That's only 5-6 spells known per level (there is a bit of overlap) & probably only 2 spells per level memorized. Not very feasible, but a caster level 30 holy word is pretty nasty.
1st Question: No. The doubled advancement of caster level is unique to the Spherewalker class. This allows the spells to actually be useful and puts their spellcasting progression equal to other spellcasters. (1 spell level every two caster levels)
2nd Question: No. As a DM, I'd rule additional levels of divine spellcasting would follow the progression for that PrC (+1 to caster level), and would give them access to new domain spells as their caster level allowed it.
Examples:
Spherewalker 1- CL 2, 1st level
Spherewalker 5- CL 10, 5th level
Spherewalker 5/Divine Scion 1- CL 11, 5th level spells
Spherewalker 5/Divine Scion 2- CL 12, 6th level spells
Spherewalker 5/Divine Scion 8- CL 18, 9th level spells
SirGeshko,
(The second question was just using an example for the first question.)
For your answers, are you speaking as per RAI or RAW?
Because, under Spells per Day in the divine PrCs that I looked over (in the core rules & APG, & the divine scion), it states that they advance as per the base class the spellcasting is from. For example:
Inner Sea Magic[/i], page 46]When a divine scion gains a level, she gains new spells per day as if she had also gained a level in a divine spellcasting class she belonged to before she added the prestige class. She does not, however, gain any other benefits a character of that class would have gained. This essentially means that she adds the level of divine scion to the level of whatever other divine spellcasting class she has.
If the character had more than one divine spellcasting class before she became a divine scion, she must choose which class she adds each divine scion level to for the purposes of determining spells per day.
I read the bolded text to mean you add both class levels together, then figure out the spellcasting. If a character with 3 spherewalker levels gains 1 level in divine scion, the two are added together, to equal 4 effective spherewalker levels. Four spherewalker levels equals eight spellcaster levels. (The PrC descriptions refer to increasing the effective level of the base class, not increasing the effective spellcasting level.)
Do you see what I mean? I agree that the spherewalker is an anomaly when it comes to spellcasting, but the wording of other PrCs looks like they can take advantage of this.
Was the Spherewalker updated from 3.5 to Pathfinder rules yet? If not, then as part of the conversion, I would have to say it operates as SirGeshko responds.
RotRL was written Pre Pathfinder, so much of its content needs updating/converting for use. Perhaps the hardback conversion will answer this as well.
REALLY looking forward to the RotRL love.
Greg
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For your answers, are you speaking as per RAI or RAW?
RAI.
Technically, by RAW, once you gain 5 Spherewalker levels, either by 5 levels in the Spherewalker class or virtually via Prestige Classes, your spell progression ends (as there are only 5 levels in the "other divine spellcasting class", Spherewalker 6 does not exist). Typically, classes that grant spellcasting have a 20 level progression, so this is not an issue. By RAW, a character who did not cast prior to taking Spherewalker cannot exceed CL 10, or cast 6th-9th level spells.
My interpretation allows the limited spellcasting of the Spherewalker to continue to advance, at a rate that follows existing spellcasting classes, without the CL 30 Holy Word/Word of Chaos cheese.
Everybody wins! I am a fair and just GM. =P
Greg,
Nope, not updated. Yes, hopefully the hardcover will clear it up.
Geshko,
Would you say a Red Mantis assassin that gains levels in eldritch knight is able to advance in caster level (but not spells per day) past the 10th level mark?
After starting this thread & rereading the spherewalker ad nauseum, I think it could be read either way; PrCs that advance existing spellcasting don't take into account the spherewalker's hinky spellcasting, lending to the uncertainess (in my mind, anyway).
Geshko,
Would you say a Red Mantis assassin that gains levels in eldritch knight is able to advance in caster level (but not spells per day) past the 10th level mark?By RAW? No.
By RAI? I don't see it breaking anything, sure.
Really? Hmm. I always figured it was RAW. I can't find anything preventing it.