Save the Date for a New Pathfinder Class Playtest!

So, I just finished Jedi: Fallen Order yesterday and boy was that Vader segment a blast - now that (and the MC) is how I imagine a force user.

Anyway, now I again have the itch for a class that actually has the mechanics for a force-user-inspired concept in one focused package. Conceptually it could fill the space the cavalier seems to have filled in 1e - a martial that stands for a set of rules/a core philosophy beyond just the "inner peace and tranquillity" ideal the monks are after. A champion with a cause, but without a god, if you will. Bring out the Starfinder plasma sword and some more mystical variations. Slap a good helping of stances, focus spells and weird levitation abilities on there and we are golden.

It might work better as an archetype or class archetype for monks or fighters honestly, but I think there is enough here to make a class.

If they give us some kind of Psychic/"NOT-a-Jedi"/Solarian/Psychonaut MARTIAL Class I can safely say that I'll be very happy.

If they give us some kind of Psychic/"NOT-a-Jedi"/Solarian/Psychonaut MARTIAL Class I can safely say that I'll be very happy.

Pretty much, yeah ^^

I am actually fine with whatever 2 classes are coming.
With Guns & Gears coming in October for me the game
will be 98.5 percent done with my wishlist. The only thing
to round it out would be a Mythic book. So I am vey curious, but fine with whatever the 2 classes are. It is weird not being at
Gen Con. Friends and me had started going when Pathfinder launched. Next year 2022 will definitely try to go.

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25 plus years went by fast.

Yea. The system doesn't do a very good job at relaying the fact that anyone can use Crafting to make Alchemical Items. Alchemy is really painted as being the specific wheelhouse of the Alchemist and Investigator; when really, they are just the experts in the field.

Eh. I'd say it is pretty much 'their' thing. Anyone can craft alchemical items... but that costs a feat and crafting isn't very strong in PF2 in general. On-level consumables get pretty expensive and some of the consumables really need to be on level to make sense.

Which also makes Alchemist MC really frustrating because you're locked out of utilizing a lot of items in the way a traditional alchemist would because of that scaling.

This may even extend to using the names of D&D4E or 3.X classes like the Seeker, Warden, Ardent, Avenger, Battlemind, Crusader, Binder, Incarnate, Totemist, Shadowcaster, Truenamer, Soulknife, Duskblade, Hexblade, Beguiler, Factotum, Swordsage, etc. Nor do I think they will use the titles of 3rd party publisher original classes like the Omdura, Timethief, or others.

Several of those also aren't part of the OGL and thus wouldn't be done for those reasons, as well. And we used Shadowcaster as the name of our shadow magic casting archetype, so that's unlikely to show up on a class for the same reasons as cavalier, marshal, vigilante, warpriest, etc.

Some names for older edition classes are so generic that as long as they're executed differently there's nothing really stopping us from using them, but even there there's a careful balancing act because sometimes using a certain name leads people to conclude that we're making a promise we maybe don't want to make.

Ashanderai wrote:

This may even extend to using the names of D&D4E or 3.X classes like the Seeker, Warden, Ardent, Avenger, Battlemind, Crusader, Binder, Incarnate, Totemist, Shadowcaster, Truenamer, Soulknife, Duskblade, Hexblade, Beguiler, Factotum, Swordsage, etc. Nor do I think they will use the titles of 3rd party publisher original classes like the Omdura, Timethief, or others.

Several of those also aren't part of the OGL and thus wouldn't be done for those reasons, as well. And we used Shadowcaster as the name of our shadow magic casting archetype, so that's unlikely to show up on a class for the same reasons as cavalier, marshal, vigilante, warpriest, etc.

Some names for older edition classes are so generic that as long as they're executed differently there's nothing really stopping us from using them, but even there there's a careful balancing act because sometimes using a certain name leads people to conclude that we're making a promise we maybe don't want to make.

Warlock and artificer confirmed as the two new classes.

jk jk.

Almost had a heart attack. No idea how much sense artificer makes when we get inventor next month.

Clearly, the new Class will be the SmoothSayre, in honor of our good friend Michael.

I want the Designer Class, full of metagaming and system mastery goodness.

Now I have heard the anathema are adequately harsh (NDA is only the first tenet).

Wouldn't that mean they couldn't use any of their abilities, because it is in their Asmodeoan contracts?

Also, my edit didn't post for some reason, but I think the Artificer is a very fitting Class Archetype for either the Inventor or Spellcasters. In the case of the former, Inventors could gain some.basic spellcasting, maybe even bounded/wave casting, and use it to augment their innovations. Spellcasters could gain a basic innovation that they can then apply their magic too. Would be neat.

I want the Designer Class, full of metagaming and system mastery goodness.

Now I have heard the anathema are adequately harsh (NDA is only the first tenet).

I actually started an extremely meta Playtester Class at home in my spare time with all the same kind of meta jokes you might be expecting. Maybe some April Fool's I will release the Playtester Class playtest though I doubt I will actually finish it, as meta humor like that can sometimes come across as not to some people's tastes, when it has things like feats where the designer (coded to be me) is messing up and the player (who is a playtester also playing the Playtester class) is figuring out the problem and fixing it, and that's how you get the powers of the feat. It's easy to read that the wrong way.

We will have our answers in about an hour!

We will have our answers in about an hour!

Isn't it 4 days away?

GGSigmar wrote:

We will have our answers in about an hour!

Isn't it 4 days away?

The detailed panels are later but they generally give a highlight reel in their big intro panel.

It would be unusual if the book these classes are in is not mentioned in the keynote. Which is in about 90 minutes I believe

It would be unusual if the book these classes are in is not mentioned in the keynote. Which is in about 90 minutes I believe

All aboard!!!!!!!!!!

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Lanathar wrote:

It would be unusual if the book these classes are in is not mentioned in the keynote. Which is in about 90 minutes I believe

All aboard!!!!!!!!!!

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This is impressive

Lanathar wrote:

It would be unusual if the book these classes are in is not mentioned in the keynote. Which is in about 90 minutes I believe

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Damn, that is a cool train. The hype is far too real

It would be unusual if the book these classes are in is not mentioned in the keynote. Which is in about 90 minutes I believe

It's actually running right now. Currently talking about Starfinder stuff, so anyone just into Pathfinder hasn't missed anything.

Lanathar wrote:

It would be unusual if the book these classes are in is not mentioned in the keynote. Which is in about 90 minutes I believe

All aboard!!!!!!!!!!

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Sick train bro. I'm hyping the hype train.

hype train hype choo choo

Lanathar wrote:

It would be unusual if the book these classes are in is not mentioned in the keynote. Which is in about 90 minutes I believe

It's actually running right now. Currently talking about Starfinder stuff, so anyone just into Pathfinder hasn't missed anything.

Weird - youtube tells me it is in 40 minutes. I guess it is upload delay. Didn't even think about that!

They are on guns and gears. Tesla coils from Earth

Dark Archive, sounds neat (and a Geb AP).

Thaumaturge is basically the new Occultist, a nonspellcaster, first of the two revealed.

And a psychic. Wowee.

Pretty hype!

That sounds like a really neat concept for the book. I'm looking forward to seeing the playtest classes.

Hey I was right! I said Occultist and Psychic equivalent!

I am surprised there is no Inquisitor, but I am happy for Thaumaturgist. Neutral to Psychic. Not my kind of fantasy.

I wonder what implements will do. He said not a spellcaster but them giving focus spells would make sense?

I am surprised there is no Inquisitor, but I am happy for Thaumaturgist. Neutral to Psychic. Not my kind of fantasy.

Kinda same. When Eric started describing Dark Archive I thought "oh so I guess everyone was right about inquisitors" but then it wasn't.

Stunned about no Inquisitor, but pleasantly surprised about Psychic - that’s a class I was worried we wouldn’t get back. Now I can finally stop making Aberrant Sorcerers!

We’ll find out Monday when the playtest drops.

Going to be a long weekend.

Guess at least there's Undertale 3... and more Gencon stuff.

GGSigmar wrote:

I am surprised there is no Inquisitor, but I am happy for Thaumaturgist. Neutral to Psychic. Not my kind of fantasy.

Kinda same. When Eric started describing Dark Archive I thought "oh so I guess everyone was right about inquisitors" but then it wasn't.

Unless it gets in as a Class Archetype. I don't expect it to but it would be a book it can fit in...

Stunned about no Inquisitor, but pleasantly surprised about Psychic - that’s a class I was worried we wouldn’t get back. Now I can finally stop making Aberrant Sorcerers!

It is not obvious what class would be paired with Inquisitor though

The already had "Gods and Magic" so it is not clear what other book an Inquisitor could be in as a stand alone one...(to me at least but perhaps I lack imagination)

So is the Thaumaturge basically going to be the class hinted at in the Magus survey of "would you prefer a non-spellcaster with more emphasis on focus spells" or whatever the specific language was?

Since I absolutely want to see that class. The "focus caster that spends most of their class budget on being really good at focus spells" has been a thing I wanted since day 1.

So is the Thaumaturge basically going to be the class hinted at in the Magus survey of "would you prefer a non-spellcaster with more emphasis on focus spells" or whatever the specific language was?

Since I absolutely want to see that class. The "focus caster that spends most of their class budget on being really good at focus spells" has been a thing I wanted since day 1.

I could definitely see that - maybe you even can switch what Focus Spells you have access to depending on what Implement you are currently attuned to.

The already had "Gods and Magic" so it is not clear what other book an Inquisitor could be in as a stand alone one...(to me at least but perhaps I lack imagination)

I would still say an organization focused book. Like I say upthread, inquisitors are unique in that most divine classes (occasionally) take direct orders from their deity/patron, while an Inquisitor is tied to a religion.

Edit: which would, specifically, allow for inquisitors of Faiths and Philosophies.

Lanathar wrote:

The already had "Gods and Magic" so it is not clear what other book an Inquisitor could be in as a stand alone one...(to me at least but perhaps I lack imagination)

I would still say an organization focused book. Like I say upthread, inquisitors are unique in that most divine classes (occasionally) take direct orders from their deity/patron, while an Inquisitor is tied to a religion.

Very interesting. Did you theorize what could pair with it in a hypothetical organisation book?

I guess the Warlord/Tactician type one?

keftiu wrote:

Stunned about no Inquisitor, but pleasantly surprised about Psychic - that’s a class I was worried we wouldn’t get back. Now I can finally stop making Aberrant Sorcerers!

It is not obvious what class would be paired with Inquisitor though

It doesn't really tie to Occult (but could - and might even make it into this book but not as a full class)

The already had "Gods and Magic" so it is not clear what other book an Inquisitor could be in as a stand alone one...(to me at least but perhaps I lack imagination)

My thought was a book very similar to what Dark Archive wound up being, with Inquisitor as a holy monster hunter and then Thaumaturge as someone with a very different spin on occult knowhow.

I wonder if Mesmerist makes it into the Dark Archive books as either an Archetype or a Bard Class archetype?

Mark Moreland mentioned in the chat that the Thaumaturge will fill some of the Inquisitor's niche.

Super hyped. I honestly wasn't expecting Occult Classes this early. But I'm stoked to see them.

The Thaumaturge is super interesting to me out of the gate. The Thaumaturgy Feat from 1e basically eluded to the idea of it being Arcane and Divine magic together. I don't expect Arcane, but I wonder if Divine will play some role; like if they have focus spells, they can choose between Occult or Divine. Can't wait to find out!

Psychic is exactly what I expected, or still expecting(?): Full Occult Spellcaster, likely with all the weird bells and whistles everyone wants to see from the Occult Tradition.

Really like the designs of the new Iconics too. Always sad to see the old ones go.

AnimatedPaper wrote:

Lanathar wrote:

The already had "Gods and Magic" so it is not clear what other book an Inquisitor could be in as a stand alone one...(to me at least but perhaps I lack imagination)

I would still say an organization focused book. Like I say upthread, inquisitors are unique in that most divine classes (occasionally) take direct orders from their deity/patron, while an Inquisitor is tied to a religion.

Very interesting. Did you theorize what could pair with it in a hypothetical organisation book?

I guess the Warlord/Tactician type one?

That was my guess. More fueled by wishful thinking than deep analysis I suppose, though it does seem like the kind of narrative gap they’re interested in making into classes.

I think the problem I have with a "Warlord/Tactician" class is that the thematic niche of the class is a thing that otherwise a lot of different classes can do. Like if you think of all the various thematic archetypes that "command armies" in fiction, you end up with a lot of different matches to existing classes.

I get that people want the mechanical trick from 4e of "you use your actions to give other people actions" but I can't help but wonder if there isn't a better way to frame that than "person who is good at tactics/giving orders".

Mark Moreland mentioned in the chat that the Thaumaturge will fill some of the Inquisitor's niche.

Interesting