Announcing Pathfinder Battles: Kingmaker!

Has it been decided how this will affect the subscriber prices for case incentives? (I don't pay attention very well, to be honest... are they even still discounted?)

They’re still discounted (to $10) presumably this set will cost $20 for both.

I’m glad to hear the line is going strong. I’ve really felt the two lines developing in parallel has both spurred innovation and meant there are options if your preferred line doesn’t offer a specific mini you like.

The fact they can’t keep a consistent release schedule is annoying, but the D&D sets don’t sell out that quickly, as a general rule.

Marco Massoudi wrote:

Can anyone who's knowledgable comment on why the case incentives for the "Kingmaker" set are being split into two seperate boxes for $34.99 each?

Thank you. :-)

It is true. For a variety of reasons, WizKids had to split them into independent products at a slightly higher per-figure price. The alternative was to offer only one figure as part of the Kingmaker set and push the other to a future set, but we didn't want to split the four Huge elementals over more than two sets, so this is the option we went with.

Thank you for commenting on this, Mark.

Even if the price increase from $50 to $70 is a steep one, i agree with the decision of keeping both minis in the same set.
They ARE massive. Especially the Water Elemental - it is almost gargantuan.

The next case incentive will probably be $49.99 again. ;-)

I bet it won't be a huge mini after three in a row (Hydra, Earth & Water Elemental), even if i like the fact that the missing huge creatures are finally being made.

Wizkids sadly doesn't seem to be willing to publish a Pathfinder Battles set including huge minis in boosters, so it may take years to get a (half-)complete collection of the most commonly encountered huge minis (like Aboleths, Bulettes, Froghemoths...)

I for one look forward to the new blog on the Pathfinder Battles: Kingmaker in the next couple of weeks, keep up the GREAT WORK! Mark

Marco Massoudi wrote:

Can anyone who's knowledgable comment on why the case incentives for the "Kingmaker" set are being split into two seperate boxes for $34.99 each?

Thank you. :-)

It is true. For a variety of reasons, WizKids had to split them into independent products at a slightly higher per-figure price. The alternative was to offer only one figure as part of the Kingmaker set and push the other to a future set, but we didn't want to split the four Huge elementals over more than two sets, so this is the option we went with.

Thank you for letting us know, Mark.

I'm ok with this, as long as it isn't a preview of what's to come. Just don't want to see incentives bumped to $60-70 normal price and subscriber benefits bumped to $20.

A little more than 18 weeks until the intended october release date - i bet the previews will start again in early july.

It's getting really crowded for prepainted minis in the next months:

september 18th: D&D Icons of the Realms set 9: "Waterdeep: Dragon Heist" miniatures & hardcover adventure.

october 24th/31st: Pathfinder Battles set 15: "Kingmaker".

november 13th: D&D Icons of the Realms set 10 (no official name yet, but very likely "Waterdeep: Dungeon of the Mad Mage", as the hardcover of the same name releases on the same day).

Please continue the previews as soon as possible, Mark, because i think the more cool minis are revealed, the higher the pre-order numbers get. :-)

16 weeks until Kingmakers intended release date.

4-8 weeks until the four ppm Starfinder packs are supposed to release.

11 weeks until D&D Icons set 9 releases.

It will be interesting to see if we have any Starfinder ppm before august 13th.

any news on new previews?

My flagstore told me that the Starfinder ppms might arrive in late august, maybe we could get a preview of the actual minis?

The next full set to arrive is D&D Waterdeep: Dragon Heist in exactly 10 weeks...

15 weeks until the intended release date of october 24th for "Pathfinder Battles: Kingmaker"!
This will already be set #15 in less than seven years! :-)

Is two months a normal gap for Icons releases?

Is two months a normal gap for Icons releases?

No, it's not.

The november set MAY yet be moved to december or january, as the september set "Waterdeep: Dragon Heist" was originally scheduled to release in july, but got moved to the same release date as the hardcover adventure.

But i think it will probably keep the november release date, to release together with novembers "Waterdeep: Dungeon of the Mad Mage" hardcover.

Mark, any idea when the blog picks up again?

After Gen Con would be my guess.

There are 45 renders to preview and 15 weeks until the street date, which would mean 3 minis every week would work out exactly *hinthint* ;-)

Erik Mona wrote (yesterday):

"Kingmaker previews are going to pick up again in earnest very soon. We have gaps between sets, and we're in one of those right now.

We have at least two more sets beyond Kingmaker scheduled, with plans to discuss more at Gen Con in about 12 days. Those upcoming sets have ties to some second edition stuff, so you can expect to see some figures based on early 2e art with releases shortly following Kingmaker."

Good news for Pathfinder Battles minis lovers! :-)

Since there are no miniature news whatsoever atm, i'll just say that "D&D Icons of the Realms: Waterdeep: Dragon Heist" releases in exactly 8 weeks.
29 days later, on october 17th, "Pathfinder Battles: Kingmaker" is scheduled for release.

As a collector of both D&D and Pathfinder miniatures. My wallet really feels the burn when the sets are so close together. But as long as they keep making them, I'm likely to keep buying them.

Looking forward to some new miniatures posts soon hopefully.

Yesterday brought some pictures of actual "Waterdeep: Dragon Heist" minis.
They don't look so good imo.
I will probably not buy a case but cherry-pick.

I hope (and think so too) that next week will bring a big KINGMAKER (out in exactly 12 weeks!) preview from Gencon, as i have to decide if i'll order a case or 2 bricks - i'll definetly take the two elementals. ;-)

So how do the two elementals being packaged separately work? If we get a case through our subscription, do we get the opportunity to purchase both elementals at the reduced rate for incentives? Or will we instead only get to pick one?

Yesterday brought some pictures of actual "Waterdeep: Dragon Heist" minis.

They don't look so good imo.
I will probably not buy a case but cherry-pick.

I hope (and think so too) that next week will bring a big KINGMAKER (out in exactly 12 weeks!) preview from Gencon, as i have to decide if i'll order a case or 2 bricks - i'll definetly take the two elementals. ;-)

I don't think they (Waterdeep) look that bad. I feel like most pics I've seen taken so close, with such a bad angle, and with bad lighting make minis look really bad. Numerous times I've seen photos of WizKids' minis from both the D&D & Pathfinder lines, respectively, and they are a real turn-off. Then I get the mini in my hand and it looks so much better.

That doesn't mean I have high hopes for every piece from that line. That Xanathar looks very similar to the one from Monster Menagerie 2, arguably the worst Beholder I've seen in pre-painted plastic form. The face looks a bit better, but it continues to sport eyes that look like my four-year-old niece painted them.

I'm beyond excited about the Kingmaker minis. I love the choices so far, and from what I've seen they look great. I can't wait for another preview soon, plus whatever photos pop up from GenCon. I'm also eager for confirmation that we'll get a Large-sized Spriggan, too.

Speaking of GenCon, do we know yet if there will be GenCon-specific alternates? If so, do we know what they are?

So how do the two elementals being packaged separately work? If we get a case through our subscription, do we get the opportunity to purchase both elementals at the reduced rate for incentives? Or will we instead only get to pick one?

You'll be able to purchase one or both.

A little off topic, but not only does october bring Pathfinder Battles Kingmaker, it also brings
"Pathfinder Battles Deep Cuts: Gargantuan Green, Red & White Dragon"!!!

For only $29.99 each, everybody can get the unpainted (but primed) version of the case incentives from the "Reign of Winter", "Legends of Golarion" & "Dungeons Deep" sets!

11 weeks until the street date of Pathfinder Battles: Kingmaker!

Any miniature news from Gen Con?

I'm curious if the monday miniatures blog will pick up again tomorrow, but directly after Gen Con is probably unlikely, so next week may be a safer bet.

10 weeks until the intended release date of october 17th!
That means 9 more preview blogs with 5 minis reveals each would suffice to show everything before.

@Mark Moreland:
Could you please show the 7 unrevealed large uncommon minis in the first four previews?

They decide for me if to order two bricks (16 boosters) or a case.
The Troll Leader is a cool miniature, but i already have dozens of trolls.

We already know a small Spriggan is in the set (it's on the booster) and a lot of people think and hope that a large one is too.
So maybe you could show that one (and one other large) next monday? ;-)

Thank you.

I plan to start previews in the next week or two, but whether or not they'll all be larges, I can't say. I need to map out what I'm revealing each week, and that's often more thematic than based on rarity, so no promises.

I plan to start previews in the next week or two, but whether or not they'll all be larges, I can't say. I need to map out what I'm revealing each week, and that's often more thematic than based on rarity, so no promises.

Thank you for the reply, Mark. :-)

You don't need to show all the larges in a row, maybe the ones that havn't been done to death? ;-)

In my personal experience (which is pretty exhaustive in case of prepainted fantasy miniatures imho), most people decide if to buy a case or not mostly for three things:

-what kind of large creatures do i get?
-how useful are the common minis in large numbers?
-can i build some kind of army with the minis?

#4 is probably: how bad do i want the case incentive?
But a lot of online sellers offer the incentives if you buy one or two bricks or even seperately.

Another thing is, a lot of people order through Diamond's Previews and it's getting close for ordering through it.

But i don't want to pressure you, you're doing a great job so far and i am looking forward to your next story around the great Pathfinder Battles creature miniatures! :-)

before I subscribed I made a simple calculation:
- which minis do I want in which numbers?
- how much would this cost me in singles?
- how close to the price of a case is this?

turned out not worth a case at regular price most times, but so close to (or over) the price for the subscription that the subscription is worth it.

While somewhat confusing to price out, the subscription prices are competitive with other online retailers (at least the reputable ones). I’ve been doing them for quite some time now and haven’t been sorry. Plus the discount carries over to singles bought here as well.

9 weeks until the intended release date of october 17th!

Seeing that Wizkids have moved up the release date of their "Waterdeep: Dragon Heist" minis by two weeks (september 5th) recently, it is of course possible that this date will be moved up or down in 3 weeks (that's when the release schedule for october is updated).

It's highly unlikely that today will bring a minis blog, which means it will most likely be coming on monday!

I have the subscription now for the current Pathfinder Battles case and that one I was able to include the Hydra. Is there anything I need to do for the Kingmaker case or will my subscription order it for me automatically as part of the subscription? Do I add the case incentives separately or do they automatically get added for me?

This is my first time on the subscription. I tried to review the FAQ to find these answers but did not see them, sorry if they were answered there. Trying to avoid accidently ordering multiples by mistake.

I have the subscription now for the current Pathfinder Battles case and that one I was able to include the Hydra. Is there anything I need to do for the Kingmaker case or will my subscription order it for me automatically as part of the subscription? Do I add the case incentives separately or do they automatically get added for me?

This is my first time on the subscription. I tried to review the FAQ to find these answers but did not see them, sorry if they were answered there. Trying to avoid accidently ordering multiples by mistake.

We will automatically generate orders for new releases including the incentives in the subscription line until you choose to cancel.

In my personal experience (which is pretty exhaustive in case of prepainted fantasy miniatures imho), most people decide if to buy a case or not mostly for three things:

-what kind of large creatures do i get?
-how useful are the common minis in large numbers?
-can i build some kind of army with the minis?

#4 is probably: how bad do i want the case incentive?

for me

Marco Massoudi wrote:

In my personal experience (which is pretty exhaustive in case of prepainted fantasy miniatures imho), most people decide if to buy a case or not mostly for three things:

-what kind of large creatures do i get?
-how useful are the common minis in large numbers?
-can i build some kind of army with the minis?

#4 is probably: how bad do i want the case incentive?

for me

1) if there are more than 10 humans/elves in the set, my order is cut in half
2) if there are less than 25% new minis, my remaining order is cut in half.
3)How many of the commons do people want?
4) what paint jobs do I know will be scewed up?

1) I agree. Personally i have hundreds of different human minis, dozens of Elves/half-elves. Also many dwarves & all halflings.

2) I mostly agree. I mainly want creatures which have never been made before OR which have been so rare that i have only one or that have been made a decade ago.

3) With me it's more like: "How many can i use of the exact same mini?". I often cut off stuff from common minis i have in large numbers to create visible variants.
I also put small, round, colored stickers on the bases of the same minis to be able to differentiate them in battle. It also highly depends on the "organization" entry in the Bestiary.
For instance, i have four Gelatinous cubes, but the organization is "solitary", so i don't need any more.
But i would love half a dozen large "Giant Skeleton" minis or basic female orcs.
When there is only one version of a mini, like the "Mind Frond"/Basidirond, (highest organization 3-8) i want at least 4-5 to give every pc one enemy in battle.
4) That is usually not a factor for me, as Pathfinder Battles has mostly only one or two minis per set that are badly painted (Azata Wilder & Human Hunter in the last set).

I have recently started organizing my mini for a big sell off... keeping one of each, selling about 13,000 minis over the next few months. So my #3 was not as a seller. I have enough wolves I can put out a 15 wolf pack with all different sculpts.(3 d&d 2 pathfinfinder, 3 bones 3 mtg and 4 or 5 metal.) I have enough pirates to make a warships full crew contingent unique.

Pigraven wrote:

So how do the two elementals being packaged separately work? If we get a case through our subscription, do we get the opportunity to purchase both elementals at the reduced rate for incentives? Or will we instead only get to pick one?

You'll be able to purchase one or both.

Just a quick note to follow up on this: allowing the option to choose one or the other was not something that our miniature subscription code was able to accomodate. The two incentives are listed under one product code WZK73136-CI and we do not have an option to only purchase one of them with a case at this time.