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Wow.
Let me just say that if I leave the education/university sector to private business shores at some point in the future (still in education/university employment), I hope the company I work for will have even one eighth of Paizo's spirit, solidarity and simple awesomeness. :)

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Erik's got one hand in his pocket and the other one is slapping Advertising Director Rob Stewart.
Really enjoying this series, can't wait for the next installment. Even if I feel bad now that by picking up Dragon at my FLGS instead of subscribing, this was all my fault.
From what Lisa said above, your FLGS was probably on the non returnable model, so it was probably alright as you were avoiding the really low price for subscription

Neil Spicer Contributor, RPG Superstar 2009, RPG Superstar Judgernaut |
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If all these blog posts are serving as the buildup to the 10th anniversary celebration at PaizoCon 2012, I'm absolutely ecstatic to be there for it.
Vic? Good show, man.
Lisa? Thanks for persevering.
You guys are exactly what this industry needs...and has needed all along. You know and honor the game's history, and yet you're also visionary, patient, and strong enough to see it along its future path.
And for everyone else at Paizo? As hard as I know it must sometimes feel in your everyday work schedules and product deadlines, these are the kinds of stories which represent the hard-won accomplishments waiting at the end of that struggle. Nothing worth doing in life ever truly comes easy. Otherwise, it isn't appreciated. And yet, all that you do today is obviously so very much appreciated by your customers, the fans, your industry peers, and yes, even us freelancers who stand ready to support you precisely because of the kind of people and company that you are.
I wish you guys all the prosperity and longevity in the world. Because your committment and hard work deserves it.
My sincere two cents, ;-)
--Neil

Iziak |
A great read!
Just a minor suggestion for these articles: Could you include links to the previous ones at the top of the post? That way if someone misses one they can easily navigate back to find it. Considering this is going to be ten posts long, it would be good to have some form of navigational aid.

Hobbun |

I’ll be honest, I didn’t even know Dungeon and Dragon was written by Paizo until almost the end (sorry!). Although, I didn’t have a subscription of either, I just saw what my DM showed me from his copies, or the occasional Dragon that I purchased.
I knew of Paizo, but truly didn’t catch my attention until seeing the huge, hard-backed “The Shackled City” at Gen Con. And I truly feel bad about that, as you had been around for awhile before this book.
I paid attention what you did over the subsequent years, but as we were playing 3.5, and our DM didn’t really allow sourcebooks beyond official WotC books, I never really bought anything. :(
Fast forward to 2009, 4th edition had been out for almost a year and a half now, and none in our group really liked the changes to it. We were pretty happy with 3.5, but always open to try new systems. It was our DM who told me about Pathfinder. “I saw this new system, it’s being dubbed as 3.75. It is developed by Paizo and is getting very good reception online.” My interest was peaked, so I started to look into it and the changes that were made. I loved it. I showed my DM, and where he told me about it originally, he didn’t look into the changes closely. However, when I showed it to him, he absolutely loved it as well. So from then on, we tried Pathfinder and haven’t looked back since.
Thank you Lisa for listening to Vic that day and not packing it in. Because if you did, my friends and I, as well as thousands of others, wouldn’t be having the fun we are now in playing your great system. :)

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Great read, again. I must say I didn't know Paizo had gone through these kind of rough times.
First off, thank you for all the kind messages on this blog. It is appreciated.
I wanted to comment on this post. I worked very hard to make sure that our struggles weren't known outside of Paizo. Heck, I don't think that many of our employees knew how hard the struggles were, because I kept that info confined to the top ranks. No sense having everybody worrying all of the time. I think that is why Erik's closed door meeting mentioned in Jason's sidebar was such a shock. People didn't really see it coming. They possibly had a hint or two or three, but not all the details. And we definitely didn't want the public to know.
Two Christmases ago, I ended up telling the whole company and their spouses the two hours story of Paizo at our annual holiday party. I didn't sugar coat or leave anything out. They got the whole gory story. The ups and the downs. That was cool.
These blog posts are pretty much my attempt to do the same thing now for you guys. You deserve to know now. Without you, we wouldn't have made it to where we are today.
So enjoy!
-Lisa

Morbus Iff |

The ease by which you explained the fallacy of the three legged stool was excellent! Keep these retrospectives going far longer than you intended! Monthly retrospectives of who went on vacation, where, and the pictures they took, thumbs included! The trials and tribulations of getting an artist to make a slight revision! The hard disk crash of March 2012! The three day argument about a +1 or a +2 that threatened to shatter a marriage! Dear Gozreh, I would read these with the same vigor as a chain-smoking, bunnyslipper-wearing housewife reading The Sun.
@cannon fodder: Those sentiments are pretty much why I've recently switched all my Pathfinder purchasing to direct through Paizo, as well as buying the crunch line I don't normally care for. The last thing we need is more loss in our life.

Chris Lambertz |

A great read!
Just a minor suggestion for these articles: Could you include links to the previous ones at the top of the post? That way if someone misses one they can easily navigate back to find it. Considering this is going to be ten posts long, it would be good to have some form of navigational aid.
Whoops! We actually do have a link on second installment. I've added one to this post and it'll be present in the rest of them.

Charlie Brooks RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 4, RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32 |

As a fan of Paizo, it's somewhat comforting to know that the company endured those hard times and came out stronger. Lots of companies in this industry tend to fall apart at that kind of adversity.
As somebody who has come close to a breakdown of my own recently over money troubles, it's also good to know that such hurdles can be overcome.

Samnell |

I wanted to comment on this post. I worked very hard to make sure that our struggles weren't known outside of Paizo. Heck, I don't think that many of our employees knew how hard the struggles were, because I kept that info confined to the top ranks. No sense having everybody worrying all of the time. I think that is why Erik's closed door meeting mentioned in Jason's sidebar was such a shock. People didn't really see it coming. They possibly had a hint or two or three, but not all the details. And we definitely didn't want the public to know.
Oof, that must have been rough. Not just all the stress of the situation, but also keeping it quiet.

TheChozyn |
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Lisa, and the rest of the Paizo crew,
Thanks for not giving up in the lean times. It's very nice to hear the story of Paizo. I know where the story is now and hope to continue to follow it for many many more years to come.
I dabbled in Dungeon and Dragon during those years, but didn't get firmly entrenched in them until the year before the end.
Then RotRl hit and I've been chanting your praises ever since, though I'm sad my Burnt Offerings got lost. I went into a game store the other day and knew more about your current products/upcoming products then the owner of the store did. That is a testament to how open and involved you are with your customer base.

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If 2004 was that bad, how did you survive the 07/08 downturn? Which, for my industry, was the darkest and bleakest of times only rivaled by 9/11 and it's immediate aftermath.
Interestingly enough, the adventure game industry has always done well in an economic downturn. Turns out that adventure games provide a great deal of entertainment for the money. On top of it, Paizo was growing quite a bit during that time and bringing in lots of new customers, so the effect was basically that we didn't grow as quickly as we could have.
-Lisa

krevon |

After buying and playing 4ed for 1 month, I was introduced to Pathfinder. I was impressed enough to switch over. I then ran a one shot for some friends in a neighboring city (one of which happens to manage the local hobby store) which brought that group into the loop and the store selling Paizo products.
Good job guys, you've impressed an old gamer!

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HangarFlying wrote:If 2004 was that bad, how did you survive the 07/08 downturn? Which, for my industry, was the darkest and bleakest of times only rivaled by 9/11 and it's immediate aftermath.Interestingly enough, the adventure game industry has always done well in an economic downturn. Turns out that adventure games provide a great deal of entertainment for the money. On top of it, Paizo was growing quite a bit during that time and bringing in lots of new customers, so the effect was basically that we didn't grow as quickly as we could have.
-Lisa
That's true! Thanks for the opportunities!

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This has been one of the most informative little series I've read.
I would like to point out that it definitely wasn't Dungeon 169 that was the sister issue to Dragon 315. Dungeon, rest its soul, only went to issue 150. I believe it was actually Dungeon 110.
Right you are. Fixed... (Oddly, we already had the correct link...)

revloc02 |

You know, this particular article is quite an eye-opener.
I'm gonna be very honest. I really like Paizo's work; however, I usually try to get it as economically as possible. That usually means Amazon or some other online retailer with some 2000% discount or other going.
But....in being as frugal as possible, I'm putting everyone at a disadvantage. I'm essentially saying, "I expect bigger and better and shinier material in the future and I'll expect to pay less and less for it." Of course, I'm looking out for my personal finances, like anyone else. But I also need to remember that, I'm one of the clients whose purchases fuel the 'raw materials' that go into the bigger and better and shinier material I'm demanding. Sometimes people cry foul on higher prices, but I guess we consumers also need to remember that the great stuff you guys put out comes from real people, not some mythical rpg tree (wait, *is* there a mythical rpg tree?!).
Long story short - I'm gonna start buying more from you guys directly. I want more good stuff. And I'm happy to pay for it.
I feel the same way. Amazon.com has really good prices on Pathfinder stuff, but I am willing to pay for good products (which Pathfinder is).
So here's my question: If I buy stuff from Paizo directly do they get more profit than if I buy at Amazon?

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Yes, if you buy from Paizo directly, they make a higher profit margin, mostly because they do not want to undercut their distributors and ultimately the retail stores. They sell it at the MSRP, while they are essentially selling it to Amazon at a lower markup.
It was noted in the recent thread entitled, "Amazon?"

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I feel the same way. Amazon.com has really good prices on Pathfinder stuff, but I am willing to pay for good products (which Pathfinder is).
So here's my question: If I buy stuff from Paizo directly do they get more profit than if I buy at Amazon?
You can get your products direct from Paizo and still save a good bit if you subscribe. Get a subscription to the AP volumes and you save 30% off of them, and 15% off any other physical products you order along with them (such as other Pathfinder subscriptions, like the RPG releases, the Companions, etc.)
http://paizo.com/products/btpy7xpn?Pathfinder-Adventure-Path-Subscription
AFAIR, and Paizonians please correct me if I am wrong, but subscribing is the preferred way for us fans to buy products since it tends to give them more reliable sales projections for the future.

Liz Courts Contributor |

AFAIR, and Paizonians please correct me if I am wrong, but subscribing is the preferred way for us fans to buy products since it tends to give them more reliable sales projections for the future.
Sales through all channels—Paizo.com, book trade, hobby trade—are excellent and good and all are necessary. Buy where you want to buy from, we're not picky!

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I find reading things like this to be fascinating to read. To see the behinds the scenes stuff and not only what was going on. But why and how it was going on.
I personally never got the mags myself other than a few key issues here or there that had something I was very interested in. Like the ecology articles about the princes and princess of the abyss aka the Demonomicon series.
I really didn't pay attention to Paizo until I ran across a copy of the first Rise of the Runelords in the local gaming store. At that time i still bought everything from the local stores to support them. It bought issues 1-5 that way and it wasn't until issue 6 that I finally came to Paizo.com to really check the company out. I ordered a subscription later the same day if memory serves. (might have been later in the week) Now 90% of the gaming stuff i buy comes from paizo.com store, either as PDF's or print stuff sent with my monthly subscription stuff.
Very much looking forward to reading the rest of this series, though I do wish they was written faster than once a month. :)

Papa-DRB |

I was going to post a "you're late!" message, but figured they had more important things, and the weekend, to deal with. Now that the weekend is over: you're late!
The weekend was not over at the time you wrote this! It is a three day weekend in the States (Memorial Day)...
-- david
Papa.DRB

gbonehead Owner - House of Books and Games LLC |

Wow, interesting story, Many things I never knew. So glad things worked out.
2004 was the first year I gave money directly to Paizo.
Apr 6, 2004 2 year subscription to Dragon $67.
Paizo is one of the few Companies I have continued to buy from over many years. Since then I have given them $8,523.64 of my money.
Let's not tell my Wife, oddly I have almost been married to my wife as long as that... ;). April is the Month I asked her to marry me.
Hmmm ... I'm not sure I can figure out when I started subscribing, but it was a while ago. But dare I do the math on here?
(winces)
$5090.33 ... at least according to the web site, which covers since order #38690 on Oct 16, 2003 for a Star Wars Insider 8-Issue Subscription.
On the other hand, I'd already been a subcriber to the Dragon for a while (since before the introduction of 3e), so that's certainly not the first funds they got from me ... but August 2004 was the first time I renewed the Dragon online :)