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I knew this would happen.
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This includes the demigods of other fiends (asura ranas, kyton demagogues, oni daimo, qlippoth lords, rakshasa immortals, and sahkil tormentors), who all get some more description and flavor ... here's a look at the table of sahkil tormentors found in Book of the Damned ...
:D Excellent!
Hmmm... it occurs to me that in order to be in keeping with the theme of the book you really should have tormented subscribers by releasing it to retail first and only sending it out to subs once us lesser mortals have got our hands on it! :)
Oh... My... Cyth-Vsug... What an amazing illustration! I'm completely pleased to see that my favorite Demon Lord got such an amazing art! Can't wait to see Geryon and Szuriel. *u*
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I really hope one day we will get the Chronicles of the Righteous, with illustration for all the Empyreal Lords... *-* It would be a perfect book for good aligned npcs and pcs.
Kytons! Kytons! Kytons!
Such sights you show us!
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I really hope one day we will get the Chronicles of the Righteous, with illustration for all the Empyreal Lords... *-* It would be a perfect book for good aligned npcs and pcs.
I know we're kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel for book ideas, but before whatever happens for a Pathfinder RPG 2.0, I would love to see a full Chronicles of the Righteous and at least get something on the Concordance of Rivals for the LN/NN/CN Outsider Lords. Protean Lords, Psychopomp Ushers, and then whatever rules over Axiomites and Inevitables.
I really hope one day we will get the Chronicles of the Righteous, with illustration for all the Empyreal Lords... *-* It would be a perfect book for good aligned npcs and pcs.I know we're kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel for book ideas, but before whatever happens for a Pathfinder RPG 2.0, I would love to see a full Chronicles of the Righteous and at least get something on the Concordance of Rivals for the LN/NN/CN Outsider Lords. Protean Lords, Psychopomp Ushers, and then whatever rules over Axiomites and Inevitables.
Primal Inevitables. ;)
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It's the Bleeding Rainbow!
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Primal Inevitables. ;)I really hope one day we will get the Chronicles of the Righteous, with illustration for all the Empyreal Lords... *-* It would be a perfect book for good aligned npcs and pcs.I know we're kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel for book ideas, but before whatever happens for a Pathfinder RPG 2.0, I would love to see a full Chronicles of the Righteous and at least get something on the Concordance of Rivals for the LN/NN/CN Outsider Lords. Protean Lords, Psychopomp Ushers, and then whatever rules over Axiomites and Inevitables.
The Axiomite Godmind actually.
Wait a minute. Your not Lavar Burton!
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Nameless, lord of Torment?
*chuckles*
OK, this is on the X-Mas wishlist...Love that we'll finally get info on some of these demigods of the lesser known fiends.
I think I would've liked better to have seen 2 volumes. One with the standard demons, daemons and devils and one with everyone else.
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The Axiomite Godmind actually.Primal Inevitables. ;)I really hope one day we will get the Chronicles of the Righteous, with illustration for all the Empyreal Lords... *-* It would be a perfect book for good aligned npcs and pcs.I know we're kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel for book ideas, but before whatever happens for a Pathfinder RPG 2.0, I would love to see a full Chronicles of the Righteous and at least get something on the Concordance of Rivals for the LN/NN/CN Outsider Lords. Protean Lords, Psychopomp Ushers, and then whatever rules over Axiomites and Inevitables.
Primals, Godminds, three goblins on each other's shoulders in a suit all going by the name of Fred, I don't care, I just want more info! :D
What version of Charon was used for his illustration? Is it the one in the cover or the one in the awesome chapter opener previewed at PaizoCon? Is his art just as amazing as Trelmarixian art?
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Isn't godmind less of divinity and just council of aximiote leaders? Anyhoo, yeah, they probably have authority over primal invetables I guess since they started out as warmachines before they become demigods? .-.
The Godmind is basically an emergent divinity formed when the greatest of the axiomites merge together physically/metaphysically. The nature of those axiomite leaders hasn't been elaborated upon: axiomites with lots of class levels? Different stats than normal aciomites? Demigods themselves?
I suspect that we'll get more details in Planar Adventures.
One could presume that the original primal inevitables we're invested with divine power by the Godmind when they were created.
I'm interpolating slightly as I wrote the material on the godmind/axiomites originally, but unless it's in print or stated by a Paizo employee it isn't Canon.
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What version of Charon was used for his illustration? Is it the one in the cover or the one in the awesome chapter opener previewed at PaizoCon? Is his art just as amazing as Trelmarixian art?
The Charon's art is the old man version, but not by same artist. Its bit... Well let's just say it has shading issues, so it ends up looking bit silly <_< The picture with all four horsemen on their horses on other hand has the skeleton version with nice hat.
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What version of Charon was used for his illustration? Is it the one in the cover or the one in the awesome chapter opener previewed at PaizoCon? Is his art just as amazing as Trelmarixian art?The Charon's art is the old man version, but not by same artist. Its bit... Well let's just say it has shading issues, so it ends up looking bit silly <_< The picture with all four horsemen on their horses on other hand has the skeleton version with nice hat.
His entry art is also Skeletal, if you look closely.
Thanks for sharing Corvus and Rysky. Well, I suppose the old picture will continue to be my favorite.
Queens of the Night?
Queens of the Night?They rebranded.
For the best, IMO.
The art is good.
While they could have devoted the entire book to expounding the lesser fiends named in the Books of Damned softcovers, I am glad they expanded the legions of the wicked to include others. I am perplexed why they didn't do another softcover Book of the Damned for these new additions.
I also like the Queens of Night upgrade.
I bought my copy yesterday and will reread it tonight. I may have missed something.
This book is a treasure trove of information, and is awesome!
I have a question though...
So this implies that Asmodeus is WAY more powerful than the rest of the gods, almost to the level of an over-deity.
So, my question is, is this how things really went, or is this supposed to be a skewed history told from the point of the victors, and shouldn't be taken too seriously?
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I have a question though...
Asmodeus lies. A lot.
I have a question though...Asmodeus lies. A lot.
Yeah, I get that. But is this book apocryphal because it's blasphemous, or inconvenient?
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A creature of Law/shackles/Lies thinking that it came first? An infant upon a throne holding court over its toys. The Maelstrom's pre-existant nature suggests something else.
Fine. We screwed up. We apologize for getting all distracted with the Abyss we found/created/crank called/got drunk and invited ourselves in and trashed their place and they returned the favor... Yeah yeah our bad.
Give us time and we'll clean up our mess/reality/technically that includes you all no hard feelings.
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Why not both? :)
I didn't get that the powers that be found it dubious till they read it.
The people who sent this angel out to gather the knowledge in the first place.
But, I'll admit I may be reading too much into that bit.
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It's worth pointing out that all of the various and often contradictory origin myths can be harmonized if you assume some level of unreliable narration and narrow point of view for some of them. Not saying that they're all true or have a core nugget of truth buried inside, but it's possible.
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The people who sent this angel out to gather the knowledge in the first place.
But, I'll admit I may be reading too much into that bit.
Several of the Archdevil backstories in their deity articles directly contradict Asmodeus's story in BotD.
Asmodeus has something to gain from this while they do not, and more importantly those stories are written mostly OOC, while the story in BotD is an in-world document.
Asmodeus is thus provably lying OOC. Given that his own minions aren't gonna contradict him, this is not provable IC and characters in-world can speculate on this all they like, but we the players know it's a lie.
Gotcha.
Wait, I just reread what you said.
Now I'm confused. You're the one who called it apocryphal, which it is. What part of it are you asking about, Asmdodeus' origin?
The angels or archons that banished the author called it apocryphal/blasphemous.
I'm pondering the validity of what's presented by the BotD. It seems that it being dismissed as blasphemy could be taking as the "good" side protesting too much, when they don't have Ihys around to validate the events. It would seem the other gods would know, for sure, whether this is Asmodeus bluster and revisionist history, or if it's more true than not.
I'm curious about this, because I've got players in a high-level game that are beholden to Asmodeus, so I'm looking at the possibilities to bring to bear.
Up to this point, I've assumed that Asmodues was elevated to deityhood in a similar fashion to Sarenrae. This adds a new (even if tainted) perspective on things.
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Gotcha.
Wait, I just reread what you said.
Now I'm confused. You're the one who called it apocryphal, which it is. What part of it are you asking about, Asmdodeus' origin?
The angels or archons that banished the author called it apocryphal/blasphemous.
I'm pondering the validity of what's presented by the BotD. It seems that it being dismissed as blasphemy could be taking as the "good" side protesting too much, when they don't have Ihys around to validate the events. It would seem the other gods would know, for sure, whether this is Asmodeus bluster and revisionist history, or if it's more true than not.
I'm curious about this, because I've got players in a high-level game that are beholden to Asmodeus, so I'm looking at the possibilities to bring to bear.
Up to this point, I've assumed that Asmodues was elevated to deityhood in a similar fashion to Sarenrae. This adds a new (even if tainted) perspective on things.
The Blasphemies are do to talking about all the various Fallen Celestials and how they fell and what all was done to compile the book, and apocrypha since there's not really a way to verify it.
Whether it's true or fiction is the whole point of it existing, from the meta. No one knows. Asmodeus will give his version. Sarenrae will give her version. Pharasma will give her version.
And the story about the Seal isn't new, it was in the first BotD softcover.
I hadn't read anything about the seal till this book, so it was new to me :)
I got really excited about this book. The Sahkil Tormentor post actually inspired me to run out on payday and pick up the book because I love peppering in Psychopomp lore in my campaigns because the first adventure I ever GMed was mummy's mask, and the tormentor sections was fairly lacking.
That being said, I read this all weekend and I couldn't put the book down, great information to work with!
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I got really excited about this book. The Sahkil Tormentor post actually inspired me to run out on payday and pick up the book because I love peppering in Psychopomp lore in my campaigns because the first adventure I ever GMed was mummy's mask, and the tormentor sections was fairly lacking.
That being said, I read this all weekend and I couldn't put the book down, great information to work with!
This is possible to rectify, write a review stating what you like and don't like and also ask for more Sakhil stuff, CAUSE WE NEED MORE SAKHIL STUFF!