I especially like the deck of doors idea. Now you are just making the wait harder. (I was already sold on the book just for the spell rules clarifications)
I missed the Legendary Influence feat on my first read-through of this book. That feat is a must have for Mediums who want to be true jacks of all trades.
The feat also has an improved version that gives you a second set of feats, but then you would need to immediately use your Propitiation class feature to get your Influence score back down to 2.
Dude, these [ruse] spells sound hilarious and amazing. I'm definitely going to look at them for my Lawful Evil "on your side but not really" investigator. And the medium in my game is going to love Legendary Influence (he's always struggled with deciding on feats, so this flexibility is going to be great for him).
(I can't be the only one in love with that purple-haired gnome girl. She's captivating.)
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Dude, these [ruse] spells sound hilarious and amazing. I'm definitely going to look at them for my Lawful Evil "on your side but not really" investigator. And the medium in my game is going to love Legendary Influence (he's always struggled with deciding on feats, so this flexibility is going to be great for him).
(I can't be the only one in love with that purple-haired gnome girl. She's captivating.)
The artist did an amazing job. She's actually a muse (Bestiary 5), which take a form based on the onlooker's visual aesthetics, in this case, Lini's. Look closely and you can see that she has the music note jewelry just like the other muse, and on the ground you can see the "faerie circle" mushroom ring Lini used for the spell. Lini is offering a silver violin, the gift of music, in exchange for the muse's help.
The artist did an amazing job. She's actually a muse (Bestiary 5), which take a form based on the onlooker's visual aesthetics, in this case, Lini's. Look closely and you can see that she has the music note jewelry just like the other muse, and on the ground you can see the "faerie circle" mushroom ring Lini used for the spell. Lini is offering a silver violin, the gift of music, in exchange for the muse's help.
I had a hunch upon seeing the music note jewelry, but didn't realize that muses had the ability to alter their appearances (though considering they are fey, should I be so surprised?). Now you've given me the idea to incorporate a muse into an adventure whose supernatural nature may never be revealed to the players. Seifterrrrr! ;)
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Here, use this (we had to cut if and just leave it as implied in copyfitting, and they do still have change shape):The artist did an amazing job. She's actually a muse (Bestiary 5), which take a form based on the onlooker's visual aesthetics, in this case, Lini's. Look closely and you can see that she has the music note jewelry just like the other muse, and on the ground you can see the "faerie circle" mushroom ring Lini used for the spell. Lini is offering a silver violin, the gift of music, in exchange for the muse's help.I had a hunch upon seeing the music note jewelry, but didn't realize that muses had the ability to alter their appearances (though considering they are fey, should I be so surprised?). Now you've given me the idea to incorporate a muse into an adventure whose supernatural nature may never be revealed to the players. Seifterrrrr!
Subjective Form (Su): A muse can use her change shape ability to appear as any humanoid creature’s inner embodiment of idealized beauty, without knowing consciously what that form might be.
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Here, use this (we had to cut if and just leave it as implied in copyfitting, and they do still have change shape):The artist did an amazing job. She's actually a muse (Bestiary 5), which take a form based on the onlooker's visual aesthetics, in this case, Lini's. Look closely and you can see that she has the music note jewelry just like the other muse, and on the ground you can see the "faerie circle" mushroom ring Lini used for the spell. Lini is offering a silver violin, the gift of music, in exchange for the muse's help.I had a hunch upon seeing the music note jewelry, but didn't realize that muses had the ability to alter their appearances (though considering they are fey, should I be so surprised?). Now you've given me the idea to incorporate a muse into an adventure whose supernatural nature may never be revealed to the players. Seifterrrrr!Subjective Form (Su): A muse can use her change shape ability to appear as any humanoid creature’s inner embodiment of idealized beauty, without knowing consciously what that form might be.
I knew it!
I was thinking she was another gnome until my eye caught the outfit and the notes jewelry.
Also is it just me or it Droog's gaze very suggestive?
Here, use this (we had to cut if and just leave it as implied in copyfitting, and they do still have change shape):Subjective Form (Su): A muse can use her change shape ability to appear as any humanoid creature’s inner embodiment of idealized beauty, without knowing consciously what that form might be.
Wow, I just looked at the Muse's entry in Bestiary 5 and only now noticed the "SQ change shape" entry. That's on me, then. Still, thanks for the little extra tidbit. I think I've occupied enough time on this blog, heh. (Though I am compelled to comb through my Bestiaries again for things I've missed.)
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The artist did an amazing job. She's actually a muse (Bestiary 5), which take a form based on the onlooker's visual aesthetics, in this case, Lini's. Look closely and you can see that she has the music note jewelry just like the other muse, and on the ground you can see the "faerie circle" mushroom ring Lini used for the spell. Lini is offering a silver violin, the gift of music, in exchange for the muse's help.Dude, these [ruse] spells sound hilarious and amazing. I'm definitely going to look at them for my Lawful Evil "on your side but not really" investigator. And the medium in my game is going to love Legendary Influence (he's always struggled with deciding on feats, so this flexibility is going to be great for him).
(I can't be the only one in love with that purple-haired gnome girl. She's captivating.)
Wait, really? I assumed that it was the silver balladeer gnome from page 115 of Occult Adventures. She seemed like a close match, down to the hair color and silver violin.
Edit: Whoops, looks like I wasn't the only one who thought that! I should have finished reading the comments.
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Glad to see that people also noticed the silver balladeer reference; nice catch! My thought was that Lini received the silver violin from the silver balladeer as a gift and thus, when using it as payment, Lini had her somewhat in mind when calling the muse, but I wasn't necessarily expecting people to notice.
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I was actually curious about the story in the last picture, the one with the... less good iconics. I like that one a lot.
It's a spell, so I ordered it, and that means I have a crazy story for it. We're looking at the treacherous teleport ruse spell. Seltyiel partied up with Mel, Oloch, and Damiel for an adventure and told them he was going to teleport them all back to safety. They all thought he was casting teleport, even Damiel with his high Int, but it was actually treacherous teleport, leaving the other three in a prepared cell that Seltyiel rigged to set off an antimagic trap to hold them, thus allowing him to make off with all the loot for himself. But he couldn't help but send himself nearby to gloat (even though he could have gone far away), so he better hope Oloch can't bend those bars!
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I was actually curious about the story in the last picture, the one with the... less good iconics. I like that one a lot.It's a spell, so I ordered it, and that means I have a crazy story for it. We're looking at the treacherous teleport ruse spell. Seltyiel partied up with Mel, Oloch, and Damiel for an adventure and told them he was going to teleport them all back to safety. They all thought he was casting teleport, even Damiel with his high Int, but it was actually treacherous teleport, leaving the other three in a prepared cell that Seltyiel rigged to set off an antimagic trap to hold them, thus allowing him to make off with all the loot for himself. But he couldn't help but send himself nearby to gloat (even though he could have gone far away), so he better hope Oloch can't bend those bars!
That's amazing. Thanks for that!
It's a spell, so I ordered it, and that means I have a crazy story for it. We're looking at the treacherous teleport ruse spell. Seltyiel partied up with Mel, Oloch, and Damiel for an adventure and told them he was going to teleport them all back to safety. They all thought he was casting teleport, even Damiel with his high Int, but it was actually treacherous teleport, leaving the other three in a prepared cell that Seltyiel rigged to set off an antimagic trap to hold them, thus allowing him to make off with all the loot for himself. But he couldn't help but send himself nearby to gloat (even though he could have gone far away), so he better hope Oloch can't bend those bars!
Interesting! I saw that this is the same party that we are seeing in Hollow Mountain. I figured that this picture was the moment after the end of that comic story arc. :)
The ruse spells sound nice and nasty.
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It's a spell, so I ordered it, and that means I have a crazy story for it. We're looking at the treacherous teleport ruse spell. Seltyiel partied up with Mel, Oloch, and Damiel for an adventure and told them he was going to teleport them all back to safety. They all thought he was casting teleport, even Damiel with his high Int, but it was actually treacherous teleport, leaving the other three in a prepared cell that Seltyiel rigged to set off an antimagic trap to hold them, thus allowing him to make off with all the loot for himself. But he couldn't help but send himself nearby to gloat (even though he could have gone far away), so he better hope Oloch can't bend those bars!Interesting! I saw that this is the same party that we are seeing in Hollow Mountain. I figured that this picture was the moment after the end of that comic story arc. :)
It's true that Erik had recently mentioned at a meeting that these four would be in a group in a new comic series coming out called Hollow Mountain, which caused me to imagine what they would be like together, and when it came time for a picture of an iconic betraying the group, magus seemed the most likely of the classes with the spell on their list, so I decided to roll with these guys. However, treacherous teleport is likely too high-level for Hollow Mountain Seltyiel to cast.
I was actually curious about the story in the last picture, the one with the... less good iconics. I like that one a lot.It's a spell, so I ordered it, and that means I have a crazy story for it. We're looking at the treacherous teleport ruse spell. Seltyiel partied up with Mel, Oloch, and Damiel for an adventure and told them he was going to teleport them all back to safety. They all thought he was casting teleport, even Damiel with his high Int, but it was actually treacherous teleport, leaving the other three in a prepared cell that Seltyiel rigged to set off an antimagic trap to hold them, thus allowing him to make off with all the loot for himself. But he couldn't help but send himself nearby to gloat (even though he could have gone far away), so he better hope Oloch can't bend those bars!
Speaking of Oloch, is he wearing a Meligaster mask on his forehead for some reason or is he currently under the effect of a Mesmerist spell effect?
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Will any existing spells get the [ruse] descriptor and an update? I've always felt that mislead was way too easy to foil with a simple Spellcraft check and should have something like this built in.There's nothing listed about that, but there is a +1 metamagic that lets you turn any spell into a ruse spell, choosing another spell of the same level or one higher to make your spell resemble that spell, as well as making it harder to identify via Spellcraft, Knowledge (arcana), or a new spell in this book that can read magical signatures.
That's a shame. I think many illusion spells should have this as a default. Think I'll house rule that some do.
Well possibly the book will go into discussing how standard illusion, charm spells etc work in that regard...
I see some people believe that "OH, if you know (i.e. Spellcraft ID) they cast X spell, then you can act to bypass spelleffect".
I've always understood the spell effects to apply, "period", thus perhaps you technically might have knowledge of spell,
but effectively you will ignore that/ rationalize way to ignore that so the spell effects occur...
Because that's what the spell does, mess with your head, irrespective of what knowledge you have.
These Ruse spells seem to have different ends, obviously allowing targets to think it is a harmless spell and not Save...
To apply that effect to Illusion/Charm spells would just mean the target doesn't get a Save in the first place... Not wanted/needed.
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That quick-change mask had better be triggered by peeling it off your face, Mission Impossible-style, to reveal that you've in fact been the alternate identity all along. Otherwise, I mean, what are we even doing here? :)
This book sounds better and better as it draws closer.
That quick-change mask had better be triggered by peeling it off your face, Mission Impossible-style, to reveal that you've in fact been the alternate identity all along. Otherwise, I mean, what are we even doing here? :)
That item does not really quite work for that Mission Impossible scenario. Removing the mask enables a Vigilante to instantly switch between identities and anyone else to cast the equivalent of Disguise Self on himself. Since Disguise Self has a "(D)" in its duration, it would be pointless in terms of Pathfinder game mechanics to have a magic item that immediately undoes a Change Self spell that way.
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That item does not really quite work for that Mission Impossible scenario. Removing the mask enables a Vigilante to instantly switch between identities and anyone else to cast the equivalent of Disguise Self on himself. Since Disguise Self has a "(D)" in its duration, it would be pointless in terms of Pathfinder game mechanics to have a magic item that immediately undoes a Change Self spell that way.
Then we need another mask, and by god we need it quickly!
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Well possibly the book will go into discussing how standard illusion, charm spells etc work in that regard...
I see some people believe that "OH, if you know (i.e. Spellcraft ID) they cast X spell, then you can act to bypass spelleffect".
I've always understood the spell effects to apply, "period", thus perhaps you technically might have knowledge of spell,
but effectively you will ignore that/ rationalize way to ignore that so the spell effects occur...
Because that's what the spell does, mess with your head, irrespective of what knowledge you have.These Ruse spells seem to have different ends, obviously allowing targets to think it is a harmless spell and not Save...
To apply that effect to Illusion/Charm spells would just mean the target doesn't get a Save in the first place... Not wanted/needed.
Well, the spell that's always had this problem the most is mislead - there is no save against the invisibility effect, and even if the viewer's mind fails its Will save against the image portion of the spell, they know it's an illusion if the beat the Spellcraft DC and can shout, the caster is actually somewhere else invisibly and ignore the image. What you're suggesting is putting a compulsion effect on spells like this (or for that matter any glamers) forcing anyone who witnesses them to interact with them. If you're able to ignore a summon monster spell to attack the caster, I don't see why you couldn't ignore a silent image of a monster just as easily...but if you KNOW it's an illusion, the choice becomes a lot easier.
I was actually curious about the story in the last picture, the one with the... less good iconics. I like that one a lot.It's a spell, so I ordered it, and that means I have a crazy story for it. We're looking at the treacherous teleport ruse spell. Seltyiel partied up with Mel, Oloch, and Damiel for an adventure and told them he was going to teleport them all back to safety. They all thought he was casting teleport, even Damiel with his high Int, but it was actually treacherous teleport, leaving the other three in a prepared cell that Seltyiel rigged to set off an antimagic trap to hold them, thus allowing him to make off with all the loot for himself. But he couldn't help but send himself nearby to gloat (even though he could have gone far away), so he better hope Oloch can't bend those bars!
That story makes me think of the time I saw (on a show) someone pull a similar stunt, tricking some gangsters into a cell and then slamming the door behind them before laughing at them...
Only for the gangsters to casually push the unlocked door open.
That spell really does sound like something that Seltyiel would use, though! The ruse spells all read like great ideas, as does resplendent mansion. Part of the joy in looking forward to this book consists in waiting to see which classes get the new spells.
In every way except the art, the Muse was one of my favorites from B5. Absolutely love that new illustration.
What do mean this book is GOING to be awesome...for me it IS awesome. :P"""""""
Love the deck of doors, wrist launchers, new weapon properties (Truthful is rather nice!), spells, archetypes.....what's not to like?! It's all very intriguing.
The artist did an amazing job. She's actually a muse (Bestiary 5), which take a form based on the onlooker's visual aesthetics, in this case, Lini's. Look closely and you can see that she has the music note jewelry just like the other muse, and on the ground you can see the "faerie circle" mushroom ring Lini used for the spell. Lini is offering a silver violin, the gift of music, in exchange for the muse's help.I had a hunch upon seeing the music note jewelry, but didn't realize that muses had the ability to alter their appearances (though considering they are fey, should I be so surprised?). Now you've given me the idea to incorporate a muse into an adventure whose supernatural nature may never be revealed to the players. Seifterrrrr!Here, use this (we had to cut if and just leave it as implied in copyfitting, and they do still have change shape):
Subjective Form (Su): A muse can use her change shape ability to appear as any humanoid creature’s inner embodiment of idealized beauty, without knowing consciously what that form might be.
I can see that as being a recipe for either trouble or hilarity depending on what someone's 'embodiment of idealized beauty' is.
"Why are we talking to a gorgeous female gnoll? I thought you were summoning a fey."
And does the muse appear as a different 'embodiment' to everyone that sees her?
In every way except the art, the Muse was one of my favorites from B5. Absolutely love that new illustration.
What do mean this book is GOING to be awesome...for me it IS awesome. :P"""""""
Love the deck of doors, wrist launchers, new weapon properties (Truthful is rather nice!), spells, archetypes.....what's not to like?! It's all very intriguing.
Excellent! :D
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The artist did an amazing job. She's actually a muse (Bestiary 5), which take a form based on the onlooker's visual aesthetics, in this case, Lini's. Look closely and you can see that she has the music note jewelry just like the other muse, and on the ground you can see the "faerie circle" mushroom ring Lini used for the spell. Lini is offering a silver violin, the gift of music, in exchange for the muse's help.I had a hunch upon seeing the music note jewelry, but didn't realize that muses had the ability to alter their appearances (though considering they are fey, should I be so surprised?). Now you've given me the idea to incorporate a muse into an adventure whose supernatural nature may never be revealed to the players. Seifterrrrr!Here, use this (we had to cut if and just leave it as implied in copyfitting, and they do still have change shape):
Subjective Form (Su): A muse can use her change shape ability to appear as any humanoid creature’s inner embodiment of idealized beauty, without knowing consciously what that form might be.I can see that as being a recipe for either trouble or hilarity depending on what someone's 'embodiment of idealized beauty' is.
"Why are we talking to a gorgeous female gnoll? I thought you were summoning a fey."
And does the muse appear as a different 'embodiment' to everyone that sees her?
If she uses that, she picks one creature, otherwise it would give her away if people disagreed on her appearance. I actually thought about which way I wanted to go a lot before deciding that in my initial turnover. Like say she wants to help out Lem and act as his muse, so she appears before him as a halfling named Lara in order to circumspectly help Lem create an epic tale of the struggle of halfling slaves in Cheliax. As she iinteracted with Lem, it would blow her cover if she didn't look like Lara to everyone else around, unless she made sure to only interact with him when he's alone, but that itself is suspicious.
Anyways, another overly-long explanation, bottom line is same to all, but yes, could be a gorgeous female gnoll if that' who she changed shape to match last.