The Godsrain Prophecies Part Eight

Wednesday, March 27, 2024

One of the theories that I intend to run by my Lady in my compilation of these so-called Godsrain Prophecies is that they may be warnings of some kind. This is a relatively new addition to my admittedly large list of potential reasons for their existence, which range from sensible hypotheses to outlandish theories, including one recent concern that this has all been a test by my Lady to discern whether I am trustworthy and analytical enough to handle some of her more complex research needs. I know she would never do such a thing, in truth, but after a particularly vivid dream (involving my being back in one of Lorminos’s classes and asked to deliver a talk about a research paper I had somehow forgotten to do), my anxiety briefly took hold.

The warning theory is of particular interest to me because it reflects an ongoing scholarly debate about the ability to prevent a true prophecy. As noted in Beyond Aroden (which I believe I have already mentioned in these pages), there are some who believe in the Fate’s Chain theory, which holds that any action taken to prevent a foretelling only hastens its speed and effects. Conversely, others believe that all prophecy presents the opportunity to exert free will. In the words of one notorious scholar, “those who lie down in front of the hooves of prophecy instead of taking the reins of their lives deserve to be trampled to dust, even if only metaphorically.” Fiery words, and ones I am not sure I believe, but given the gravity of this particular set of prophecies, I do like the idea that this might be an opportunity to shift the course of the future.

–Yivali, Apprentice Researcher for the Lady of Graves




The Death of Desna

The thing about journeys, especially the good ones, was how easy it was to lose track of the past. Hard to move forward while looking behind you. Desna had always believed that. Each new night, each new step, had something new to offer up—a bit of knowledge to excite her, a dark horizon to invite her, a way for love to keep her grounded as she wandered from place to place.

But something else was out there. A threat that she’d forgotten from the void between the stars, seeking only to expand its brutal, ceaseless silence. Not an enemy that could be caught or stopped forever, but something she’d held at bay as it consumed star after star, by making them anew as she had done since the beginning. Back then she’d set the stars like jewels, each a perfect piece of art, and now they were a chorus that only she could truly hear, gentle bells that softly chimed and brought new hope to dreamers.

Except with so much journeying, she’d let the task slide down her list, forgetting to replace the stars that steadily winked out. She hadn’t heard their quiet ringing slowly growing quieter, as something more than silence brought new fury to its form. And by the time it reached her ear, that music wasn’t quite as rich, and starlight twinkled that much less, and butterflies flapped weakly. Absence had turned to abscess turned to deep vulnerability, and what was of the past became the killer of the present. In one fell swoop of emptiness, no longer held back by her lights, something of the Dark Tapestry she thought she’d left behind took her and Cynosure as one, and with her all the stars that filled the skies above Golarion.

Desna was loved by many, and all stepped up to play a part and try to build a new world in the space left by her death. Cayden Cailean raised cups “to Desna and to freedom” (though he stayed still for many months, sometimes with Kurgess by his side, drinking to his memories and running up his tab). Shelyn offered welcome to those who sang in Desna’s name, collecting songs and poems so she would not be forgotten. (And when they sounded out of tune, as if something was missing, she called them Desnal melodies and blessed those who repeated them, ignoring art’s new promise for the haunting elegies). Sarenrae sought her vengeance but had no one to strike out against, and so she turned to healing in its place (by never letting hurt inside, and building walls around her heart she dared Shelyn to climb).

No one could prove the daytime light was any different than before, but even on the fairest day, there was something in the air—a stagnant sort of thickness that weighed upon the spine. Scouts moved slowly, and travelers lingered though they knew to hurry (to get themselves to safety long before the starless night). With no means by which to navigate, sailors called off voyages, reduced to tiny odysseys that kept the shore in sight. And while the feeling dissipated, slowly easing day by day, everything about the world felt dormant for a time.

Even as the pace picked up, no stars returned to fill the sky. At night, only the moon shone down, and paths forward could change in ways unlucky and impossible; more often did travelers disappear from the shadowed roads ahead. And while some blamed her ancient nemesis, Ghlaunder, who was emboldened by Desna’s demise, or Zon-Kuthon, who reveled in the new depth of the darkness, only Desna would have known that what killed her waited, determining its next advance, growing in the spaces left within a starless night.

An array of 20 portraits depicting the gods of the Pathfinder setting. Asmodeus, Cayden Cailean, Desna, Erastil, Nethys, Pharasma, Urgathoa, and Zon-Kuthon’s portraits have been marked “safe.”

Do the stars and their keeper, Desna, truly protect the Universe from some fell threat that hides in the darkness beyond them? May the stars shine forever, if so!





The Dark Tapestry? It has been some time since I thought about that void of space, which has long been reported to be the home of godlike beings far beyond my comprehension. Maybe this is why I am the most intrigued about Desna’s seeming knowledge of the place and its dangers. It is the first I am hearing of a potential connection, though that may simply be because I do not attend the right discussion groups. Whether or not this prophecy turns out to be true (or, again, maybe a warning that my Lady might be able to give to Desna to prevent this outcome), I will add a note about the possible link between Desna and the Dark Tapestry to my collected papers covering her works as a deity. I am not sure when or if I will have the time to publish any of the works I have begun to write, or if there will be room in my papers for all of the data I now have, but I am glad that I have at least begun collecting information. If these prophecies make nothing else completely clear, my own takeaway is this: it is important to understand what you know (and don’t) about the gods.


About the Author

Erin Roberts has been thrilled to be able to contribute a few small threads to the fabric of Golarion in the pages of books like Lost Omens Firebrands, Lost Omens Highhelm, and Lost Omens Travel Guide. In addition to her work for Paizo, she freelances across the TTRPG world (and was selected as a Diana Jones Award Emerging Designer Program Winner in 2023), has had fiction published in magazines including Asimov’s, Clarkesworld, and The Dark, and talks about writing every week on the Writing Excuses podcast. Catch up with her latest at linktr.ee/erinroberts.

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Of COURSE it was NEVER going to be Desna. She's not just a goddess of Pathfinder, she's arguably the goddess of Pathfinder - the first deity we were ever introduced to in the setting.


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Our friendly neighborhood Great Old One, snuffed out by the darkness she came from! Quite poetic.

As my favorite member of the Prismatic Ray, I'm glad to see Desna is safe.


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I've got a friend who will be very happy to hear Desna made it on the safe list.


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Desna was loved by many, and all stepped up to play a part and try to build a new world in the space left by her death. Cayden Cailean raised cups “to Desna and to freedom” (though he stayed still for many months, sometimes with Kurgess by his side, drinking to his memories and running up his tab). Shelyn offered welcome to those who sang in Desna’s name, collecting songs and poems so she would not be forgotten. (And when they sounded out of tune, as if something was missing, she called them Desnal melodies and blessed those who repeated them, ignoring art’s new promise for the haunting elegies). Sarenrae sought her vengeance but had no one to strike out against, and so she turned to healing in its place (by never letting hurt inside, and building walls around her heart she dared Shelyn to climb).

MY HEART

I never read much of Erin Roberts's work up until now, but her prose during this event has been breathtaking. This paragraph in particular devastated me. Her writing is absolutely

dare i say it

stellar.


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Desna was loved by many, and all stepped up to play a part and try to build a new world in the space left by her death. Cayden Cailean raised cups “to Desna and to freedom” (though he stayed still for many months, sometimes with Kurgess by his side, drinking to his memories and running up his tab). Shelyn offered welcome to those who sang in Desna’s name, collecting songs and poems so she would not be forgotten. (And when they sounded out of tune, as if something was missing, she called them Desnal melodies and blessed those who repeated them, ignoring art’s new promise for the haunting elegies). Sarenrae sought her vengeance but had no one to strike out against, and so she turned to healing in its place (by never letting hurt inside, and building walls around her heart she dared Shelyn to climb).

MY HEART

I never read much of Erin Roberts's work up until now, but her prose during this event has been breathtaking. This paragraph in particular devastated me. Her writing is absolutely

dare i say it

stellar.

The dubious canon of these prophecies makes this 'confirmation' of Kurgess's parenthood absolutely maddening. I love it.


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Aww I wanted her to die.


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No but the "Desnal melodies" thing is one of my favorite pieces of Golarion lore I've ever read and it's not even canon. It's such a perfect image of Shelyn's two domains at war--her broken heart overwhelming her art until she can't help but linger in the past, linger in incomplete, stagnant artistic expression. Her nostalgia and grief take away something that was precious to her. And yet it's so subtle. It's not that she and Sarenrae turn to the dark side, it's not that they completely fall apart. They're still trying so hard. They've just... lost something, and who knows how long it will take them to recover from it? What will become of Golarion in the meantime?

I don't think anyone in the Prismatic Ray is going to die. I like to think the "change to the Prismatic Ray" we've had foreshadowed is going to be something more hopeful than that, like a new member. But gosh, I'm much more worried about those three now on a purely irrational emotional level. If Sarenrae does die, as many have predicted, maybe Desna would be more able to comfort Shelyn than Sarenrae was in this story, and things would turn out at least a little better. But this picture of the Prismatic Ray without Desna hurts.

I do agree with others that Desna was never in danger. Actually, when I saw this post, I was initially a little gleeful that my prediction had been correct--that she was the goddess being secured as "Safe" today. Then I realized I'd have to read about one of my favorite goddesses dying and how two of my other favorite goddesses would unravel in her absence.

Ow.

EDIT: sorry I'm still not over "walls she dared Shelyn to climb". That's such a fantastic single phrase that says so much with so little. I'm losing my mind over it.

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With so many star eating deities, Devourer is running out of stars :D

Joking aside, yeah not surprised


I'm glad she's safe!

I love her ties to the Tapestry, the loose thread that unraveled itself and went wandering.

And it's funny... that the thing that doomed her here was the gift of a dead friend and mentor, Curchanus.

She, despite what she believes, was stuck in the past, as all that lost her here became as well.


CorvusMask wrote:

With so many star eating deities, Devourer is running out of stars :D

Joking aside, yeah not surprised

Maybe that's who this Eater of Stars is in the story; I like to think so. That does paint Starfinder as a bit bleaker if it's come out into the open, though.


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With so many star eating deities, Devourer is running out of stars :D

The Liberation of Night is increasing.


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Glad to see Desna is as safe as I'd thought she was. Fun story! The Dark Tapestry is my favorite source of villains in this setting, and their triumph creating a world that's broadly darker and scarier without her in it makes a lot of sense. Sarenrae and Shelyn's grief aches.


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It does! I think this might be the most intensely sad of all these stories so far. I feel for Cayden, too. Guy just wanted to have a good time at the bar and now he's having to confront all the burdens of divine grief. He lost his best friend, or one of his best friends.

Anyways, imagine if Paizo released a mythic AP where at least one of the chapters concerned the PCs journeying to each of the ten Doomed Timelines.

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Given the sense of loss and the looming, undefined threat from the Dark Tapestry, I think this is the most haunting of the entries so far.

Thank you, Erin!

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Good to see that Desna will NOT break the first, second, and third rules of the Dark Tapestry.

Have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Dark Tapestry.


Do I remember correctly, that this is the last one for two weeks and then we find out who really dies? Or am I off by a week?


I was under the impression that dealing with the dark tapestry was more Black Butterfly's job than Desna's.

Kinda sad we don't get a glimpse of Black Butterfly's reaction to Desna's death.


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+1 to everything KC is saying above. The section about the impact Desna's death has on the other gods and how they're trying but how hard it is because WONDER has left their lives is excellent.

Desna's prophecy as the death of wonder is kind of haunting.


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Vee8 wrote:

I was under the impression that dealing with the dark tapestry was more Black Butterfly's job than Desna's.

Kinda sad we don't get a glimpse of Black Butterfly's reaction to Desna's death.

Personally, I'm a little surprised we didn't see her in this - as someone made of the patterns between stars, it seems like this monster should directly affect her too. Or maybe when it ate Cynosure it got her too?


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Funny how that Bruce Wayne fellow's been awful quiet since Batman died.

No, I agree, that would have been interesting. I expect, though, that Black Butterfly likely shared Desna's fate. Or she remains, a sliver of Desna's old divinity clinging to life, struggling to protect what remains of her beautiful night sky.

Maybe she'd connect with Sarenrae, and the two of them would enter into some sort of unhealthy relationship behind Shelyn's back as they stalk the skies hunting for threats from beyond. Big drama opportunities there.

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Kelseus wrote:
Do I remember correctly, that this is the last one for two weeks and then we find out who really dies? Or am I off by a week?

My impression was that 10 would be written and then we'd find out who really died after that?


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There's a haunting feeling to Desna's death. A world that feels lost and ignorant of the impending doom that now awaits them much larger than they could ever concieve. The darkness of the Dark Tapestry can be a terrifying presence, and the thought that it could get exactly what it wanted without Desna around is concerning at best.


ornathopter wrote:
Vee8 wrote:

I was under the impression that dealing with the dark tapestry was more Black Butterfly's job than Desna's.

Kinda sad we don't get a glimpse of Black Butterfly's reaction to Desna's death.

Personally, I'm a little surprised we didn't see her in this - as someone made of the patterns between stars, it seems like this monster should directly affect her too. Or maybe when it ate Cynosure it got her too?

These prophecies are about the Core 20, broadly. Other than Kurgess sneaking into this one, most haven't had much to say about non-Core deities.


Kittyburger wrote:
Kelseus wrote:
Do I remember correctly, that this is the last one for two weeks and then we find out who really dies? Or am I off by a week?
My impression was that 10 would be written and then we'd find out who really died after that?

We still got two rows left that need two gods to be marked safe

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Kelseus wrote:
Do I remember correctly, that this is the last one for two weeks and then we find out who really dies? Or am I off by a week?

This was 8/10. We have two more weeks of reveals and then the stream to reveal who is actually dying.

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Kelseus wrote:
Do I remember correctly, that this is the last one for two weeks and then we find out who really dies? Or am I off by a week?

As I understand it, we're going to get two more Prophecies, then there will be a break, and then there will be an announcement a bit in advance of the release of War of Immortals.

I may be incorrect in this, however, and it should be taken with a grain of salt.

Also, I'm just over the moon that Desna is safe... now if I could just solidify Chaldira and Milani in that zone as well, it would cover all the deities that my characters have ever worshipped.


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Vee8 wrote:
I was under the impression that dealing with the dark tapestry was more Black Butterfly's job than Desna's.

Given the power disparity between the two, I think it's more that Black Butterfly focused more on the Dark Tapestry, but Desna had the firepower.

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Kinda sad we don't get a glimpse of Black Butterfly's reaction to Desna's death.

I kinda figured she just... winked out. A shadow with nothing to cast it- given how deities have died in the past by losing symbolic aspects of themselves, I can really see it- Black Butterfly just disappears when Desna dies.

But she was always so quiet and distant that nobody noticed in their grief over the loss of her much shinier, noisier, more outgoing progenitor.

Anyway, with Desna formally marked safe (I didn't think it would be her, but I will admit to relief that it isn't), and Pharasma as the first to be marked safe...

I'M GOOD NOW. Hope it's not Lamashtu.

EDIT: I'm good about the core 20, anyway. I remain on tenterhooks about favored non-Core deities, for whom we don't have set numbers of casualties or even a percentage...

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This makes me want to play Malevolence again!


Jonathan Morgantini wrote:
Kelseus wrote:
Do I remember correctly, that this is the last one for two weeks and then we find out who really dies? Or am I off by a week?
This was 8/10. We have two more weeks of reveals and then the stream to reveal who is actually dying.

Thanks.

My theory is the two more safes will be Lamashtu and Iomadea.


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We've had it confirmed that the god's death causes the War of Immortals, yeah?

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Nightmares of back to school and not the right discussion groups ? Yivali breaks the fourth wall HARD.

Fitting that the death of Desna unleashes subtle Cosmic Horror.


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I love that paragraph about Shelyn and Sarenrae. Not only is it incredibly evocative, and Sheyln's tribute in the dissonance of music is just absolutely HAUNTING in vibe as much as I love it so much. And Sarenrae? That Bit about Daring Sheyln to climb the walls around her heart? Ugh, I'm dying.

You're getting a standing ovation from me for this one, Erin.


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Also... again.

I love Yivali.

Yivali for next Psychopomp Usher :P


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Oh, thank the stars. I have always and continue to believe that the God who is going to die is going to be Iomedae, but I am far from certain and the only two gods I would be genuinely heartbroken over dying would have been Desna and Cayden Cailean.

With both of them safe, I can rest easy and wait with excitement and not trepidation.

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Keirine, Human Rogue wrote:
Kelseus wrote:
Do I remember correctly, that this is the last one for two weeks and then we find out who really dies? Or am I off by a week?

As I understand it, we're going to get two more Prophecies, then there will be a break, and then there will be an announcement a bit in advance of the release of War of Immortals.

I may be incorrect in this, however, and it should be taken with a grain of salt.

Also, I'm just over the moon that Desna is safe... now if I could just solidify Chaldira and Milani in that zone as well, it would cover all the deities that my characters have ever worshipped.

I mean I think there was announcement of the book 13th of april


I KNEW IT!

But still nice to see that Desna has been confirmed safe - looks like Shelyn and Sarenrae are going to be at risk though.


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Hurk. Saranrae getting more certain to be the one gets killed off every week. :-/ I don't know how to deal with that, if it really happens.


magnuskn wrote:
Hurk. Saranrae getting more certain to be the one gets killed off every week. :-/ I don't know how to deal with that, if it really happens.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I think there's something emerging here and if the next two Prophecies are about who I think they're about, I'm afraid that her death is almost assured.


What's your theory, Benjamin?


Oh. Well.

I suddenly find, brought to mind...

Mark Moreland wrote:

Fun behind-the-scenes fact that I'm sure you'll all love:

Spoiler:
This week's chapter originally included a hint about the promised change coming to the Prismatic Ray, but we cut it so we can give that the attention it deserves when the time is right.

You're welcome!

back from Erastil week.

I don't know that this is it, but....

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magnuskn wrote:
Hurk. Saranrae getting more certain to be the one gets killed off every week. :-/ I don't know how to deal with that, if it really happens.

I'm thinking Sarenrae and Iomedae are PROBABLY safe, because they have the advantage of being deities associated with the two most significant religious Iconic characters, Kyra (Cleric of Sarenrae) and Seoni (Champion (Paladin) of Iomedae).

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Still thinking it's Rovagug that's going to bite it. I think that's the funniest possibility...


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Kobold Catgirl wrote:
What's your theory, Benjamin?

Generally noticing a pattern, the first five prophecies were from rows 3, 4, 2, 5, 1. So far we've had gods for rows 3, 4 and 2. The gods on the same row have not only been adjacent to each other but have been able to connect to the row adjacent to it through the "safe" gods (e.g. Desna allows row 2 to connect to row 3 via Nethys). If this pattern is accurate, the next two would be Lamashtu and Iomedae. I wouldn't mind being wrong, and I know it sounds insane, but so far it's working out.


First: Ha! I was right! The Godsrain Prophecies are fables, or at least, warnings! At least, our narrator thinks so, which makes sense.

Second, yeah, I'm pretty sure the Prismatic Ray are safe; this pretty much showed the end of one is going to leave the others in need of some major help in the key of "might end the world."

Iomedae: *sweating nervously*


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Well, we've got two more. At this point it's near-guaranteed that one of those will be top row and one will be bottom row.

We'll see, I suppose.

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Second, yeah, I'm pretty sure the Prismatic Ray are safe; this pretty much showed the end of one is going to leave the others in need of some major help in the key of "might end the world."

I'm not sure why you think that means that they're safe.


Sanityfaerie wrote:

Oh. Well.

I suddenly find, brought to mind...

Mark Moreland wrote:

Fun behind-the-scenes fact that I'm sure you'll all love:

** spoiler omitted **

You're welcome!

back from Erastil week.

I don't know that this is it, but....

Oh, this is neat. That being said, I think they're saying that specifically Erastil's entry would have had a hint. Considering Erastil's entry is all about discord being sown between the gods, it does make me wonder if someone in the Prismatic Ray is going to drift away, or towards another relationship, or if someone else is going to join up.

Erastil's Death wrote:
The gods take notice of the beast, each readying their own defense. Some draw together, forming pacts and promising to shield each other—the radiance of the Dawnflower reaches the realm of the Midnight Lord, Norgorber and Iomedae draw swords with Cayden Cailean, the half-abandoned Summerlands fill up with frightened deities—but others use the moment as the perfect time to strike. Gorum turns on the cowardly and sharpens blades against their backs, Asmodeus carves clauses into those he has a contract with, Calistria builds safety from the ashes of revenge. Pantheons rise and fall and splinter in the shadow of the beast, endlessly repositioning even when it has gone to ground, its hunger sated only briefly every new time that it feeds.

Maybe the hint was going to be towards something like someone joining the Prismatic Ray, or towards someone drifting apart. You know, "Desna starts spending way more time hunting in the stars", "Sarenrae drifts away from the other two and seems to be hanging out a lot with Arazni lately", etc. They decided to cut it so we wouldn't have the chance to ship Desna and Norgorber until it's already revealed!

Gosh, what if Desna re-merges with the Black Butterfly for some reason, or the Black Butterfly is killed outright, forcing Desna to spend less time with her gfs? That'd be something.


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Benjamin Tait wrote:
Kobold Catgirl wrote:
What's your theory, Benjamin?
Generally noticing a pattern, the first five prophecies were from rows 3, 4, 2, 5, 1. So far we've had gods for rows 3, 4 and 2. The gods on the same row have not only been adjacent to each other but have been able to connect to the row adjacent to it through the "safe" gods (e.g. Desna allows row 2 to connect to row 3 via Nethys). If this pattern is accurate, the next two would be Lamashtu and Iomedae. I wouldn't mind being wrong, and I know it sounds insane, but so far it's working out.

Calling it now. The next two prophecies are going to be Gozreh and Irori... just to mess with us.

pattern pattern pattern pattern pattern pattern pattern NOPE!

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I think these prophecies have hints as well as to what happens.

Stars are Winking out. If Desna is gone, who stops Sarenrae, the Sun of Golarion, literally, if not metaphorically, from suffering the same fate that was eating the other stars?

Again, this is another Sköll and Sól reference, which we also see in Stolen Fate. Excellent Fading Suns reference, too, even if unintentional.

The creature that eats gods in the previous blogs. Including the ones from 2021-2022. The Prismatic Ray is changing names as well as possibly members.

More and more, this points to something happening to Sarenrae.

My backup theory is that something will happen to Gozreh and set off cataclysmic devastation across Golarion, but I'm not sure why that would trigger a war.

Okay, suppose Sarenrae dies, and she is eaten, but everyone assumes Asmodeus is the culprit and goes to war against him. OR because Sarenrae is out of the picture, Asmodeus takes the opportunity to complete his takeover of Golarion. Is that even a thing that he wants to do?


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Thinking about it... I don't think it's going to be Iomedae, because the story of Arazni and Iomedae working out what they are to each other now and hopefully coming to some sort of an understanding is a much more interesting story than the one where Iomedae dies and Arazni slots into her place but different. Like, if it were anyone else being added, then I might believe Iomedae, but given that the new one is Arazni, it would just be a waste.

Anorak wrote:
Okay, suppose Sarenrae dies, and she is eaten, but everyone assumes Asmodeus is the culprit and goes to war against him. OR because Sarenrae is out of the picture, Asmodeus takes the opportunity to complete his takeover of Golarion. Is that even a thing that he wants to do?

...and even if it is, was Sarenrae really the main thing stopping him? I mean, Iomedae is right there.

...and now I've walked back around to thinking that maybe it'll be Rovagug, because... well, otherwise we're looking at an existential war in heaven where gods are dying, and the nuke is still sitting there primed. It's the sort of thing that would force the various gods to act more cold war than hot war, and I don't think that's what Paizo wants for this one.


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Here's my problem with the Sarenrae theory, I guess. Say Sarenrae dies, and her death causes her divinity to rain down from the sky, and all the newly-ascended heroes march to beat back her killer in a great War of Immortals. What kills her? Rovagug? Some new or long-foreshadowed threat we aren't thinking of?

If it's Rovagug--like, if Rovagug's gonna rattle the cage--he kind of has to die at the end of the WoI, right? They can't just lock him back up, that'd be anticlimactic. He'd lose what little sense of threat he had left. Paizo can only fire that bullet once. If Rovagug gets out, he's the one dying. Full stop. I can think of various weird scenarios where he doesn't (like the Gozreh merger), but those would require him to change massively, enough so that it would feel like a death. I don't think it's likely.

And if it is some mysterious new threat, aside from that risking the threat of being a little anticlimactic, how is that going to kick off a War of Immortals? There's no way the main gods would start a war amongst each other after Sarenrae's death, surely. Maybe Desna goes way off the deep end, but barring that, the idea of breaking the divine pact keeping Rovagug sealed right after the lady best-equipped to battle Rovagug goes down just seems like an objectively Bad Call, the kind that intelligent neutral powers like Pharasma and even Gozreh likely wouldn't tolerate. Desna is a terrifying goddess (she's not an Outer God, y'all, that's just a fun debunked fanon) when she's pissed, but I don't think that's enough. Even if I love the idea of her doing what she did in the Abyss and it causing a total apocalypse.

And despite all this? Yeah, I think Sarenrae's still one of the strongest candidates. There's a lot of foreshadowing backing it up. But Iomedae edges her out by a pinch, purely due to Iomedae's connection to the Starstone/Aroden and the nice symmetry with Arazni. I think the Starstone is likely to be part of the spark for the War, especially if it's Iomedae.

And beyond those two, Rovagug as a candidate is increasingly blowing them all out of the water for me.

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