The Godsrain Prophecies Part Five

Wednesday, March 6, 2024

One interesting line of thought that I have yet to formally consider goes beyond the question of whether these “prophecies” should be considered equally as a whole to whether the whole of each of them should be equally considered. If, for example, I dismiss the effects of a particular god’s supposed death, does this mean that I am dismissing their prophesied death altogether? Does every part of a prophecy have to come true for it to be considered prophetic? If the vast majority proves true, what is wrong could be an error of translation, interpretation, or prophetic understanding. On the other hand, if most of a prophecy is false, what is accurate is likely a lucky guess. The Windsong Corollaries never reach this sort of sentence-level consideration (a gap that I might perhaps publish a small paper in when my Lady does not need me, so long as I keep things strictly theoretical). I expect a reading of Beyond Aroden: Failed Foretelling in the Age of Prophecy is in short order to establish a bit of a baseline, but it will be up to my Lady (with my assistance, I hope!) to determine what level of possibility and accuracy any of these must have to be fully considered a work of prophecy.

–Yivali, Apprentice Researcher for the Lady of Graves




The Death of Erastil

Erastil runs. Gallops really. Hoof over hoof, his antlers gleaming, bounding over shallow stream and whirling under tree branch, his body flying forward in a streak of joyous motion. He cannot always be the stag, but there are times he needs to run and feel the wind across his legs, familiar as the dawn but as new as any sunrise. He runs until he’s just past tired and ready for a drink of water, shaking leaves from antlers in a spray of autumn colors and transforming back into the form his followers are used to—horned head and wiry body of an age-old master hunter.

But he is not the only age-old creature resting in this wood. Something emerges, slowly, from a refuge it has tired of, assorted sharp and fleshy parts dragging its pouch of hunger up from somewhere down below. Even Erastil’s well-trained eyes do not quite see it slowly crawling, clawing onto haunch and belly, drawing closer to the god and waiting for the perfect moment. Not until the instant that it rises up to strike.

Erastil runs. Scrambles really. Step after step, bow at the ready, preparing even as he flees, trampling through a clutch of bushes, plunging through the river’s cold, trying to stay ahead until he whirls around to face what hunts him, show it that he’s unafraid. But there are things that even Old Deadeye has no defense against. And when that something catches him, its jaw wide and devouring, it turns what once was hunting god to nothing more than helpless prey, only stopping its ravaging to marvel at the flavor. There’s something here it’s never savored, in between the crunch and squelch—divinely filling in a way that it has never known before and now can never be without. Once it has consumed its meal and all that’s left is bits of bone, it scents the air and twists its body, reveling in the aftertaste of something past mortality, and lurches through the undergrowth to find another morsel.

Followers of Erastil who felt his blessings fade track his remaining footprints to the place he fought and fell. (There’s luck in that, or Jaidi’s hand, steady despite a widow’s grief, putting firm hands against their backs until they find whatever place his hint of dust remains.) A hunt is called, a holy ride, in honor of the fallen god, to track and take whatever beast has left their altars bare. But all they find across their path are other grieving worshippers whose gods (most small in name and reach, their purpose only known by handfuls) now are merely carcasses, devoured by some wretched beast that no one ever glimpses. The Hunters offer shelter and a purpose to these wanderers, and some find comfort in the endless chase across the Great Beyond, even as they never seem to find the subject of their search. Whatever killed Erastil, whatever hunts the other gods, is always hidden from their view, is always one quick turn away, is always adding to the trail of carnage just ahead.

The gods take notice of the beast, each readying their own defense. Some draw together, forming pacts and promising to shield each other—the radiance of the Dawnflower reaches the realm of the Midnight Lord, Norgorber and Iomedae draw swords with Cayden Cailean, the half-abandoned Summerlands fill up with frightened deities—but others use the moment as the perfect time to strike. Gorum turns on the cowardly and sharpens blades against their backs, Asmodeus carves clauses into those he has a contract with, Calistria builds safety from the ashes of revenge. Pantheons rise and fall and splinter in the shadow of the beast, endlessly repositioning even when it has gone to ground, its hunger sated only briefly every new time that it feeds.

Among the mortals, fear takes root as one god or another falls, and those who live are sometimes absent, too caught up in safety to give followers their strength. Some flourish in these absences that gods might once have kept in check, selling hope or cruelty as counters to divinity, creating order from the chaos any way they can. And when the gods grow used to fear and venture back into the world (beast still lurking in the corners, drooling at the prey), some find their temples turned to rubble, dusty from years of disuse, or built over to some new purpose they can barely recognize, and must now find a new path in a half-godless Golarion, even as something in the shadows starts to hunt

An array of 20 portraits depicting the gods of the Pathfinder setting. Asmodeus, Cayden Cailean, Erastil, Pharasma, and Urgathoa’s portraits have been marked “safe.”

When the god of the hunt falls prey to an unknown hunter, what chance do the beast’s other quarries have of avoiding a similar fate?





Much as I found it distasteful to read about, I wish this supposed prophecy had gone into greater detail about this “beast” with what I suppose is a taste for divine flesh (a prospect I can barely conceive of, let alone comment on!). While I did attempt to use my rudimentary artistic talents to create some sort of sketch, even my best guess at the appearance of this beast has fallen quite short, as it matches nothing I am currently aware of. Either my skills are not up to the task, the prophecy has purposefully been vague, or this beast has never been seen before. If the latter, this is yet another reason to doubt this prophecy in particular. Anything this powerful would surely be noted in someone’s annals. Beyond that, though, the breakdown of the gods noted here seems very unlikely. In both my studies and experiences of the gods, I have found them to be quite devoted to those who worship them (each in their own way, of course), even when to their own detriment. No matter how horrible the threat, I do not believe mortals would be abandoned in this way, nor that they would abandon their gods in return. Or, at least, I do not wish to believe it. Best, I think, to move on to some new, and hopefully less troubling, prophecy.


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Errenor wrote:
Ilkash wrote:
I use daemons heavily in my campaigns that deal with evil outsiders just because they're so much spookier and more existentially threatening than anything else the Lower Planes have to offer.
But how are they worse than demons? Those are bad enough, I suppose.

If it helps hammer home the point of the goal and scope of their ruin. Cixyron, in their Starfinder incarnation, is essentially the god of nuclear bombs and striking planets with redirected meteors, not merely slavery or deformities or undeath. The daemons want to snuff out all mortal life, in their preferred way. Bibliodaemons seek to kill people by literal paperwork. Genthodaemons are manifestations of pointless wars where people forget why they're even fighting. And so on.


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For the sake of your souls, I'm not including the contact details.


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The Raven Black wrote:
Squiggit wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:


The death of the hunter at the claws of a primeval beast that then becomes a pure hunter of deities. And how both mortals and deities struggle to adapt.

My only real gripe is that instead of being a prophecy about the death of Erastil it's more like the prophecy of a monster that happens to kill Erastil along with a bunch of other deities.

It's supposed to be his story but you could take him out of it and wouldn't have to even change much. The story is very interesting but I feel like it doesn't do quite enough with the brief for me.

It is more the story of his legacy IMO. But I think Old Deadeye would approve.

And that's kind of why I'm going back to the "this is a series of stories about what the gods fear or being unable to be their natures" theory; Erastil, the ultimate hunter and community protector, is overcome by a predator that goes on to slaughter a significant portion of his community, the other gods. Quite simply, in this story, he failed his nature and task, and in Golarion's actual continuity, it's a warning for him to not get overconfident.

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is there a "Deadpool" some where? place the bets? I do love the shock value of it, the stories are fantastic, cant wait to see more. I have my ideas on who will go..

I will do it like I did in Avengers Infinity War. I went with a bunch of friends and had them write down whom they think would not make it. and compared to the final result.


Ilkash wrote:
I use daemons heavily in my campaigns that deal with evil outsiders just because they're so much spookier and more existentially threatening than anything else the Lower Planes have to offer.

That's true as a general rule, but then you come face to face with a Lapsudaemon (Death by falling) and the PCs almost wipe because they're too distracted by laughter to focus on the fight.

Quote:

Lapsudaemons never stop their falling motion or incessant screaming, teleporting high in the air just before impact.

In the highest places of Abaddon, rains of lapsudaemons falling from the sky can last for months or years.
The greater daemons they serve must frequently teleport to some great height and fall with them to maintain telepathic conversation.


Not to mention, aren't those things immune to bludgeoning damage entirely?


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Leliel the 12th wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Squiggit wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:


The death of the hunter at the claws of a primeval beast that then becomes a pure hunter of deities. And how both mortals and deities struggle to adapt.

My only real gripe is that instead of being a prophecy about the death of Erastil it's more like the prophecy of a monster that happens to kill Erastil along with a bunch of other deities.

It's supposed to be his story but you could take him out of it and wouldn't have to even change much. The story is very interesting but I feel like it doesn't do quite enough with the brief for me.

It is more the story of his legacy IMO. But I think Old Deadeye would approve.
And that's kind of why I'm going back to the "this is a series of stories about what the gods fear or being unable to be their natures" theory; Erastil, the ultimate hunter and community protector, is overcome by a predator that goes on to slaughter a significant portion of his community, the other gods. Quite simply, in this story, he failed his nature and task, and in Golarion's actual continuity, it's a warning for him to not get overconfident.

Also, Erastil is not just a god of the hunt, but of community and family. A predator that doesn’t just come to kill him, but goes on to kill everything he was trying to protect is a very Erastil centered story.


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E Rank Luck wrote:
Arachnofiend wrote:
If a beast starts devouring gods the first thing I'd check is if anyone's seen Achaekek recently.
He's probably in Pharasma's basement still. I'd make sure Rovagug hasnt had any more kiddos

From the overall feel of the story, this makes me think that something very similar might have happened during the time before Rovagug was imprisoned, but instead of Erastil as the first victim, it was some primeval god nobody remembers anymore.

Granted, this never-seen predator sounds far more subtle than the Rough Beast is ever given credit for. But maybe that's just because it changed tactics once it was finally flushed out of hiding. And, as we all know, the victors write the history books.

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Ah, there is a clue here. It suggests that the god that kicks off the War of Immortals is not killed by another god but by a beast capable of killing gods. This would enable them to circumvent the armistice, as the deity's death would be caused by something else, leading to infighting among them. However, upon realizing that a monster was responsible, they would unite to defeat the beast before it could kill more gods.

Hmmmmmmmmm the beast either rips ZK apart or will burst from within.


NottaChance wrote:
What in the world could've killed a god (gods???) that easily>?

Probably something that NO Pathfinder in their right mind would EVER WANT TO RUN INTO! Holy bejeezus a monster that hunts and devours GODS? What a HORROR to possibly encounter!

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Elfteiroh wrote:

So... A beast that could eat gods, but have yet to do so before eating Erastil... Anyone else remember Five Points/Eyes from a couple years ago? And how it was hinted at in more than one web fiction, but it never came back? It was eating dragons as snacks... :O

This would be awesome if it turns out to be the Ko’kquali

This line here from the Five Points: “It all reads like a prophecy,” grunted Newt, the last word dripping, poisonous.


Well, Erastil's survival disproves that a comparison between the Pathfinder and Starfinder pantheon could lead to a hint. Erastil is not in the Starfinder pantheon, but still he is safe.
It could have been so easy...


Yeah but Erastil is still alive in Starfinder, isn't he?

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Sanityfaerie wrote:
I tend to suspect "not Nethys" if only because it would make things weird with the archive.

plenty of archives are dedicated to dead beings, but I doubt Neyths would die without a major shake up in the way magic works.


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Sanityfaerie wrote:
I tend to suspect "not Nethys" if only because it would make things weird with the archive.
plenty of archives are dedicated to dead beings, but I doubt Neyths would die without a major shake up in the way magic works.

What would you class as major?

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They have clearly said that that's not a factor, but also even if he's safe *now* there's a long time between now and Starfinder still to go.


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Ilkash wrote:
Errenor wrote:
Ilkash wrote:
I use daemons heavily in my campaigns that deal with evil outsiders just because they're so much spookier and more existentially threatening than anything else the Lower Planes have to offer.
But how are they worse than demons? Those are bad enough, I suppose.

Demons embody mortal sins. They want to create a horrible future for the Material Plane; a universe ruled by demons where the strong do as they please and the weak suffer as they must. Think of Alex Delarge from A Clockwork Orange, or of a hedonistic serial killer or degenerate Emperor that only thinks about satisfying their depraved urges. Demons want mortals to keep existing so they can, as Lovecraft put it, "teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom." This kind of behavior, not coincidentally, creates more demons when these corrupted mortals eventually die.

Daemons embody death and oblivion. They are omnicidal nihilistic soul devourers, and they want to annihilate all life -- mortal and immortal -- in the entire multiverse (including, in the end, themselves). They are (or were) Neutral Evil not because they consider neutrality to be a good thing on its own, but because they will adopt lawful or chaotic attitudes as needed in order to expedite their true goal, which is the End of All Things. There is no reasoning with daemons. Demons and Devils might kill you. Daemons will kill you, and then they'll eat your soul and make you cease to exist entirely.

Also, canonically, Daemons created the first Demon by feeding an abyssal larva to a qlippoth, and then the Abyss noticed and instantly created the rest of the Demon race.

Incidentally I count qlippoth as the second most existentially terrifying outsider group, and possibly the most horrifying.

Their focus on strangling demonic reproduction by getting rid of sin, which means getting rid of mortality, makes a scary kind of sense that it's easy to base plots around. Add onto that their focus on body horror, and tactics like focusing on children who may not have sinned as much yet over adults who could potentially feed the Abyss more souls, and they become horrific on every level, at least for me.


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Erastil not being in Starfinder, could be that he disappeared with Golarion, only nobody noticed (unlike Torag) because agriculture and hunting hadn't been of immediate importance for some time for most people. Or like SOME people noticed he was gone, but it wasn't anything that stuck out from the overall chaos; so if you were looking into "gods who vanished at some point during the Gap", you'd come across his name, along with some that didn't have any relevance in Pathfinder.

More likely option, though, is that he's still around, he's just... not really important to most of the setting. "Food acquisition and production" have drastically changed, "community" has drastically changed if only on sheer scale... and I forget what else I was going to say because I had the sudden thought that he might have ended up as the patron of pre-Gap-era LARPers. People with a really niche hobby (who end up becoming each other's community because of that) and prolly an interest in making their own things and learning about how stuff used to be done with less technology....

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Berselius wrote:
NottaChance wrote:
What in the world could've killed a god (gods???) that easily>?
Probably something that NO Pathfinder in their right mind would EVER WANT TO RUN INTO! Holy bejeezus a monster that hunts and devours GODS? What a HORROR to possibly encounter!

By all rights it should be a party of PCs.


The Raven Black wrote:
Berselius wrote:
NottaChance wrote:
What in the world could've killed a god (gods???) that easily>?
Probably something that NO Pathfinder in their right mind would EVER WANT TO RUN INTO! Holy bejeezus a monster that hunts and devours GODS? What a HORROR to possibly encounter!
By all rights it should be a party of PCs.

Whatever the 2E equivalent of Level 20 Mythic Tier 10 party is, specifically.


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The Raven Black wrote:
Berselius wrote:
NottaChance wrote:
What in the world could've killed a god (gods???) that easily>?
Probably something that NO Pathfinder in their right mind would EVER WANT TO RUN INTO! Holy bejeezus a monster that hunts and devours GODS? What a HORROR to possibly encounter!
By all rights it should be a party of PCs.

Agreed.


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Arborerivus wrote:

Well, Erastil's survival disproves that a comparison between the Pathfinder and Starfinder pantheon could lead to a hint. Erastil is not in the Starfinder pantheon, but still he is safe.

It could have been so easy...

If only we'd repeatedly been told exactly this before the prophecies started being posted... oh, wait :p


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Squiggit wrote:
keftiu wrote:
Urgathoa's is the odd one out here, as she seemed to almost welcome her end.
One thing that sort of stands out to me is there's a bit of a subversion of her principles. Urgathoa is a survivor who abhors the idea of any kind of self sacrifice...

Your phrase "Urgathoa is a survivor" is interesting in light of The Three Fears of Pharasma blog post from 2019. Specifically, the Survivor who will judge Pharasma at the end of the current cycle of existence.

Not that I think it's likely that Urgathoa will be the Survivor, but it would be "cosmic" irony that Urgathoa escaping the Boneyard before she could be judged (becoming the first undead) would result in her being the last "mortal" to face Pharasma.


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Dragonchess Player wrote:

Your phrase "Urgathoa is a survivor" is interesting in light of The Three Fears of Pharasma blog post from 2019. Specifically, the Survivor who will judge Pharasma at the end of the current cycle of existence.

Not that I think it's likely that Urgathoa will be the Survivor, but it would be "cosmic" irony that Urgathoa escaping the Boneyard before she could be judged (becoming the first undead) would result in her being the last "mortal" to face Pharasma.

Pharasma has already chosen who she intends the Survivor to be.

That doesn't mean that she'll necessarily succeed on pulling that plan off.


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I assume the Beast is a Qlippoth, similar to how Rovagug is a Qlippoth... The Qlippoth that are known are just the entities from the surface most portions of the lower Abyss... but in an infinite plane, the deeper you go, the more powerful and twisted things get! Rovagug was a God from the deeper portions that left the abyss for whatever reason... whos to say that there aren't things MUCH worse down there!


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Sanityfaerie wrote:
Dragonchess Player wrote:

Your phrase "Urgathoa is a survivor" is interesting in light of The Three Fears of Pharasma blog post from 2019. Specifically, the Survivor who will judge Pharasma at the end of the current cycle of existence.

Not that I think it's likely that Urgathoa will be the Survivor, but it would be "cosmic" irony that Urgathoa escaping the Boneyard before she could be judged (becoming the first undead) would result in her being the last "mortal" to face Pharasma.

Pharasma has already chosen who she intends the Survivor to be.

That doesn't mean that she'll necessarily succeed on pulling that plan off.

I believe that there were comments to the effect that Aroden was intended to be the Survivor and that is why his death signaled the end of infallible prophecy (as well as the disappearance of the Seal and loss of communication from the Watcher in the Three Fears blog post).


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Dragonchess Player wrote:
Sanityfaerie wrote:

Pharasma has already chosen who she intends the Survivor to be.

That doesn't mean that she'll necessarily succeed on pulling that plan off.

I believe that there were comments to the effect that Aroden was intended to be the Survivor and that is why his death signaled the end of infallible prophecy (as well as the disappearance of the Seal and loss of communication from the Watcher in the Three Fears blog post).

Oh, that's an interesting idea that I have not heard before. On the other hand, we know Atropos has been groomed to be the Survivor (we don't really know for how long, but it sounds as though she's been a part of her mother's court for a bit longer than a century) and I'm much more familiar with the idea that Aroden dying was one of many consequences of the vanishing seal and death of prophecy, not the cause of these things, which naturally affect a much larger portion of the universe beyond and half of one planet where one godlived and worked (even if it is a particularly important planet)


Dragonchess Player wrote:
I believe that there were comments to the effect that Aroden was intended to be the Survivor and that is why his death signaled the end of infallible prophecy (as well as the disappearance of the Seal and loss of communication from the Watcher in the Three Fears blog post).

Okay. Reading back over it, it looks like the wiki states "The psychopomp usher Atropos is Pharasma's youngest daughter, and many psychopomps whisper that she is training Atropos to succeed her when the multiverse ends." That references (John Compton, et al. “Auditors of the Absolute” in Concordance of Rivals, 4. Paizo Inc., 2019).

So... much less certain than I'd thought I remembered it. Still something.


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Elfteiroh wrote:

So... A beast that could eat gods, but have yet to do so before eating Erastil... Anyone else remember Five Points/Eyes from a couple years ago? And how it was hinted at in more than one web fiction, but it never came back? It was eating dragons as snacks... :O

This would be awesome if it turns out to be the Ko’kquali

This line here from the Five Points: “It all reads like a prophecy,” grunted Newt, the last word dripping, poisonous.

O_O...holy INHERITOR! Could Paizo have been setting this up for YEARS? O_o


sigh

Another nepo-baby?


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Luis Loza wrote:
Yivali wrote:
While I did attempt to use my rudimentary artistic talents to create some sort of sketch, even my best guess at the appearance of this beast has fallen quite short, as it matches nothing I am currently aware of.
I'd love to see everyone else's attempts at drawing a monster capable of hunting a god!

The Long Boy.


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Karhaz wrote:

is there a "Deadpool" some where? place the bets? I do love the shock value of it, the stories are fantastic, cant wait to see more. I have my ideas on who will go..

{. . .}

Now I want to see this movie Deadpool Goes to Golarion . . . .


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Malefictus wrote:
I assume the Beast is a Qlippoth, similar to how Rovagug is a Qlippoth... The Qlippoth that are known are just the entities from the surface most portions of the lower Abyss... but in an infinite plane, the deeper you go, the more powerful and twisted things get! Rovagug was a God from the deeper portions that left the abyss for whatever reason... whos to say that there aren't things MUCH worse down there!

Whether Rovagug or just kin, whoever this is may have learned ONE thing from Rovagug's imprisonment: It pays to be stealthy.

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I was wondering what the Beast took refuge from. It seems it is hidden on Golarion and was there before the deities.

So maybe it hid from Rovagug before the latter was caged.

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BTW, the description of how it moves makes me think it's crocodilian at least in looks. xD
I remember, seeing this line: "plunging through the river’s cold", thinking that it was probably a big mistake. xD


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Mark Moreland wrote:
Interesting

One of the elder gods perhaps


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UnArcaneElection wrote:
Karhaz wrote:

is there a "Deadpool" some where? place the bets? I do love the shock value of it, the stories are fantastic, cant wait to see more. I have my ideas on who will go..

{. . .}

Now I want to see this movie Deadpool Goes to Golarion . . . .

That sound you heard was Abadar screaming as he woke up in a cold sweat.

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I feel the Beast shares some similarities with Nhimbaloth. But where she is the Hunger, I feel it is the Hunter. Doubly so after devouring Erastil.

Maybe it takes on attributes of its prey after devouring them.


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Berselius wrote:
Anorak wrote:


Elfteiroh wrote:

So... A beast that could eat gods, but have yet to do so before eating Erastil... Anyone else remember Five Points/Eyes from a couple years ago? And how it was hinted at in more than one web fiction, but it never came back? It was eating dragons as snacks... :O

This would be awesome if it turns out to be the Ko’kquali

This line here from the Five Points: “It all reads like a prophecy,” grunted Newt, the last word dripping, poisonous.

O_O...holy INHERITOR! Could Paizo have been setting this up for YEARS? O_o

As noted elsewhere, Five Points resembles the kaiju Igroon from Ready? Fight!, who's also known as the "Dragon Eater".

Another thing that resembles Igroon is Luis Loza's "funny little picture" posted in response to his art request. Igroon is described as having lots of eyes and a jagged underbelly maw, and so does Luis's cute little guy!

Probably completely unrelated, but Igroon lives in Shenmen and I hear there's a book on Tian Xia that's coming soon.

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Garrett Guillotte wrote:
Berselius wrote:
Anorak wrote:


Elfteiroh wrote:

So... A beast that could eat gods, but have yet to do so before eating Erastil... Anyone else remember Five Points/Eyes from a couple years ago? And how it was hinted at in more than one web fiction, but it never came back? It was eating dragons as snacks... :O

This would be awesome if it turns out to be the Ko’kquali

This line here from the Five Points: “It all reads like a prophecy,” grunted Newt, the last word dripping, poisonous.

O_O...holy INHERITOR! Could Paizo have been setting this up for YEARS? O_o

As noted elsewhere, Five Points resembles the kaiju Igroon from Ready? Fight!, who's also known as the "Dragon Eater".

Another thing that resembles Igroon is Luis Loza's "funny little picture" posted in response to his art request. Igroon is described as having lots of eyes and a jagged underbelly maw, and so does Luis's cute little guy!

Probably completely unrelated, but Igroon lives in Shenmen and I hear there's a book on Tian Xia that's coming soon.

About Ko’kquali, its description ends up being very different from Igroon (1: There's hint that there was more than one. 2: The teeth were "tree-like", very far from the jagged metal plates of Igroon. 3: Considering the mostly metallic composition of Igroon, the remains would have them around the "tree-like" teeth. 4: The descriptions of the eyes in the ancient texts doesn't fit, with it being a fixed 5, Igroon having it only as "nummerous", with ever-shifting configurations.)

BUT, all this do is to bring the hypothesis that there are more than one "dragon eater" creatures, and doesn't help decide which one of these could be the one that ate Erastil. That is, IF it wasn't a complete fabrication of the writer of this "prophecy". Of course.


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Sigh. No venison for the pups tonight.


Our hint for this week from Luis: the deity has a two-syllable name.


So Desna, Gorum, Gozreh, Nethys, Shelyn, or Torag.


I'm unsure whether I want to see Nethys die right now in a prophecy, or see him actually die come War of the Immortals.


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Garrett Guillotte wrote:

Another thing that resembles Igroon is Luis Loza's "funny little picture" posted in response to his art request. Igroon is described as having lots of eyes and a jagged underbelly maw, and so does Luis's cute little guy!

Can I just say: it's adorable that 'Yivali' puts a little mask face doodle next to her name. I hope that's a detail that shows up in the actual Lost Omens book she's 'authoring.'

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I’m thinking it’s going to be Gozreh based on the god in question perishing by being torn in half in the sky.

Nethys spontaneously combusting would be cool though.


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keftiu wrote:
Our hint for this week from Luis: the deity has a two-syllable name.

This is a hint about which god will be featured this week, right?


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Unicore wrote:
keftiu wrote:
Our hint for this week from Luis: the deity has a two-syllable name.
This is a hint about which god will be featured this week, right?

Yes, this week's prophecy, not the actual dead deity.


keftiu wrote:
Yes, this week's prophecy, not the actual dead deity.

Yeah, they're not going to reveal the actual dead deity until at least we've marked half of the core-20 safe. I don't think it's feasible to completely keep it under wraps until the books are in people's hands, but they might try!


keftiu wrote:
Unicore wrote:
keftiu wrote:
Our hint for this week from Luis: the deity has a two-syllable name.
This is a hint about which god will be featured this week, right?
Yes, this week's prophecy, not the actual dead deity.

Which makes it the deity who is going to not-die.

Wow. So amazingly…amazing. Stop with the tension. I might…care.

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