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"Ok Chk Chk, time for your first roleplaying game. Your 'ol dad likes to roll for stats, so step number one is to grab this here six-sided kesko-die!"
Out is fine. Using them to do work or hold something is taboo
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Isn't there supposed to be some taboo about Shirren having their thorax arms out all higgledy-piggledy?
I made that mistake soon after the blog post came out. Apparently showing the extra arms is fine, but using them for any practical purpose is taboo.
I am getting the distinct impression that Navasi, as the only human iconic, is going to seem the most "normal" to us when we have blogs for all of the iconics. Paizo is not holding back on making the alien races alien.
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So as always I love the setting info dropped in the iconic write-up. The Gray Shakes got me thinking about it as a deliberate act. Testing a bioweapon on the Shirren for later use on The Swarm. Maybe by persons that see no difference between Shirren and the hive they split from. Yeah I'm well on my way to a robust headcanon.
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I am getting the distinct impression that Navasi, as the only human iconic, is going to seem the most "normal" to us when we have blogs for all of the iconics. Paizo is not holding back on making the alien races alien.
If the core races are this weird, I can't wait to see what the Alien Archive holds in store. ^_^
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I wonder what the logic is, could it be because they're reserved for procreation? ╰╰( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )ﾉﾉApparently showing the extra arms is fine, but using them for any practical purpose is taboo.
Or like Italians, they need the extra hands for speech.
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You know, Kostchtchie kind of sounds like Keskodai and Chk Chk mashed together...
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You know, Kostchtchie kind of sounds like Keskodai and Chk Chk mashed together...
Fun fact: Managing Editor Judy Bauer played a shirren named Kostchtchie in one of our playtests. :D
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Kostchtchie Kostchtchie Koo?
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Lone Wolf and Grub!!!!
Edit: I kept picturing Chk Chk in a Samus morph ball, but Freehold's idea is much much better.
Wouldn't that be Lone Bug and Grub?
Psst... minor correction: Kostchek
As in "Kostchek for Raid on register 3"?
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Psst... minor correction: Kostchek
Fun fact: It's only Kostchek in the core book because we told Judy, "Dude, regardless of how awesome it is, we can't have a shirren named Kostchtchie in the core rulebook." :D
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What about Pazuzu? I hear good things about that guy.
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♫ Traveling with my child side by side
The stars arrayed before us in some grand design
You, my son, will see the wonders of the galaxy
Spreading the Lady’s gospel out in space
Meeting denizens of new worlds face to face
Life and death and their tangled destiny
I cannot tell you who you are --
Can't find answers in an option bar
Chk-Chk, my sweet love
Do you see the worlds beyond your jar?
Are you dazzled by their many revelations?
Our sacred individuality
When we face out we discover what’s within
Emerging from your bottle like a djinn
Then once more begin
And I see colors in a different way
Where once there was only dark and grey
Perhaps that’s why we both need this journey
Oh what am I to do-o-o?
You’ve expanded my point of view
Chk-Chk, my sweet love
I think of your mothers late at night
They gave me their trust without hesitation
Our beloved reciprocity
When will I ever be in their sweet arms again?
Watch you escape the bottle like a djinn
Then once more begin
How do we ever know if our path is right?
How do we balance life’s many equations?
I guess we just have to trust and see
When you escape your bottle like a djinn
When you discover what lies within
Travelling the edges of the outer rim
Then you’ll take flight
In the starry night
Chk-Chk, no other will shine so bright ♫
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Or like Italians, they need the extra hands for speech.I wonder what the logic is, could it be because they're reserved for procreation? ╰╰( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )ﾉﾉApparently showing the extra arms is fine, but using them for any practical purpose is taboo.
As an Italian, I can confirm that we ALSO use our hands for mating.
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Wouldn't that be Lone Bug and Grub?Lone Wolf and Grub!!!!
Edit: I kept picturing Chk Chk in a Samus morph ball, but Freehold's idea is much much better.
Lone Wolf Spider and Grub
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As an Italian, I can confirm that we ALSO use our hands for mating.Or like Italians, they need the extra hands for speech.I wonder what the logic is, could it be because they're reserved for procreation? ╰╰( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )ﾉﾉApparently showing the extra arms is fine, but using them for any practical purpose is taboo.
Whoa! Keep it PG, people! There's a larva present!
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Out is fine. Using them to do work or hold something is taboo
They probably have social mores similar to the rules of a nudist resort or nude beach. They don't necessarily have to be covered but it would be in extremely poor taste to say try to pilot a boat with them. *COUGH*Tommy Lee*COUGH*
Staring and commenting would be rude no matter how much they're waving them around.
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Hm. So since we got Keskodai, I wonder if that means we'll get a preview for the Mystic next :D
Hm. So since we got Keskodai, I wonder if that means we'll get a preview for the Mystic next :D
I had that same thought after this post dropped. :)
Hm. So since we got Keskodai, I wonder if that means we'll get a preview for the Mystic next :D
That is the logical conclusion.
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Don't think so. In Pathfinder you have Qadira on one side and Cheliax on the other, and then you have Geb on the other continent. Just because the governments (or however Pact World thingies function*) accepted the undead world doesn't mean those with religions do.
Pretty sure those in charge just go the "Don't leave the Pharasmin and the Eoxian Ambassador in the same room together. Or the same building".
*Has what exactly Pacts worlds are been answered? Pretty sure it's not "We're all buddy-buddy" and everything.
I think they briefly brought it up in one of the video interviews? i would have to dig through the Starfinder hub to pull it out again, but in gist of it is that is is somewhere between NATO and the UN? It started as a mutual defense pact to defend against the Vesk and then the Vesk allied with the Pact World against the Swarm with the current situation being something closer to the UN where everyone tries to get along as no one by themselves would be strong enough to hold out against these other polities.Don't think so. In Pathfinder you have Qadira on one side and Cheliax on the other, and then you have Geb on the other continent. Just because the governments (or however Pact World thingies function*) accepted the undead world doesn't mean those with religions do.
Pretty sure those in charge just go the "Don't leave the Pharasmin and the Eoxian Ambassador in the same room together. Or the same building".
*Has what exactly Pacts worlds are been answered? Pretty sure it's not "We're all buddy-buddy" and everything.
"Fiercely militant and highly organized, vesk have strict honor codes and social mores based on conquest and prowess in battle—a cultural focus that quickly led them to conquer all the other races in their solar system, establishing a massive empire called the Veskarium. For generations, their conquest ended there, stifled by the vast distances between stars. With the introduction of Drift travel, however, they quickly turned first contact with the races of the Golarion system into an all-out war of invasion (and inadvertently created the Pact Worlds as the governments of that system banded together in mutual defense)."
-Unveiling a New Starfinder Race: The Vesk!
The vesk were the reason the Pact Worlds began, but the swarm were the reason the Veskarium and Pact Worlds stopped beating eachother up.
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So, Pharasma still around and doing the whole "Dead=Good, Undead=Bad" thing, where does that leave the previously rules of "Undead=Inherently Evil, Undead=Inherently Hates Life" and the whole "Eox=Ask Us About Becoming Undead Pact Worlders"?
Seems like some religions might have had to compromise on their principles to get along in the modern age... Pharasman extremist terrorists using positive energy bombs on Eoxian Embassies? Do you need a license to cast consecrate?
My understanding on it was that undeath is an unnatural state that corrupts the soul, of both the subject and necromancer, and that it disrupts that natural cycle of the soul.
However, Eox's very biosphere is destroyed and thus cannot support this natural cycle. I could see TN Pharasma granting a very limited reprieve/relaxation in Her strictures, allowing souls to be incarnated in undead forms under very specific conditions and limits. Such undeath would likely be much more difficult to accomplish, needing higher level spells & rituals with specific prohibitions to limit corruption of the souls, and would always require a soul freely willing to return in an undead incarnation. Those brought back as undead must avoid using any undeath powers that sap or harm the soul, and must do their best to work against (or at least work to contain) undead beings that have no such moral qualms. And any such undead would be required to surrender to Her final judgement when She deems it time.
But nothing I've read about Eox so far suggests they would find any such terms remotely acceptable.
But, IANAP*.
(* I Am Not A Psychopomp.)
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Whoa! Keep it PG, people! There's a larva present!As an Italian, I can confirm that we ALSO use our hands for mating.Or like Italians, they need the extra hands for speech.I wonder what the logic is, could it be because they're reserved for procreation? ╰╰( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )ﾉﾉApparently showing the extra arms is fine, but using them for any practical purpose is taboo.
This is Paizo, kids probably see that sort of thing all the time.
I mean, this is the first iconic who's married, and a parent...and they're in a poly relationship.
This is why I like Paizo. ^_^
Hm. So since we got Keskodai, I wonder if that means we'll get a preview for the Mystic next :D
Yes, I am most interested in how limited the "Mystic" class is.
Is it only "cleric" types, or can it be others such as psychics or arcanists?
My guess would be more support, buff/debuff sorts of spells. Mixing up some cleric, druid and psychic flavors.Hm. So since we got Keskodai, I wonder if that means we'll get a preview for the Mystic next :DYes, I am most interested in how limited the "Mystic" class is.
Is it only "cleric" types, or can it be others such as psychics or arcanists?
What I am trying to find is ... if I were to abandon the "default" setting, could they be reflavored as "psionics"?
Hence my desired for more info on the class.
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What I am trying to find is ... if I were to abandon the "default" setting, could they be reflavored as "psionics"?
Hence my desired for more info on the class.
You most likely can reflavor it very easily, since Starfinder doesn't do different types of magic.
If you want to call whatever the mystic (and technomancer) do as psionics, and give them your own flair that should be very easy to do I think.
yup, it seems more likely to be seen as socially deviant to be in a two unit relationship in Shirren culture as that would imply they are only in it for the love/physical intimacy vice breeding.I don't think that counts as polyamory, because the bugs seem to have a nuclear 3 insect unit.THIS IS MY FAVORITE DUMB DAD.I LOVE OUR POLYAMOROUS SPACE MEDIC DAD.
Wow, um, so this gets me wondering about what it means for the concept of accidental pregnancy in Shirren society. I mean, is that even possible? Are there any lost, shirren love-childs out there or would they only come from triplings(?) of parents where the male and female up and left the host to deal with it all after they had their fun? Would that be a thing? Maybe it's just a thing attributed to choice-junkies who don't worry about the repercussions of their choices until after they are confronted with them...?
"Lets make a family! (some time passes along with a fertilized egg to the host) "Oh, wow, reponsibility and limited choices in my future because of kids? I don't think so! I want to experience more choices before I settle down! What about you honey? Yeah, you, too?! We're outta here host-mama/egg-sitter!"
yup, it seems more likely to be seen as socially deviant to be in a two unit relationship in Shirren culture as that would imply they are only in it for the love/physical intimacy vice breeding.I don't think that counts as polyamory, because the bugs seem to have a nuclear 3 insect unit.THIS IS MY FAVORITE DUMB DAD.I LOVE OUR POLYAMOROUS SPACE MEDIC DAD.Wow, um, so this gets me wondering about what it means for the concept of accidental pregnancy in Shirren society. I mean, is that even possible? Are there any lost, shirren love-childs out there or would they only come from triplings(?) of parents where the male and female up and left the host to deal with it all after they had their fun? Would that be a thing? Maybe it's just a thing attributed to choice-junkies who don't worry about the repercussions of their choices until after they are confronted with them...?
"Lets make a family! (some time passes along with a fertilized egg to the host) "Oh, wow, reponsibility and limited choices in my future because of kids? I don't think so! I want to experience more choices before I settle down! What about you honey? Yeah, you, too?! We're outta here host-mama/egg-sitter!"
Then, I wonder how long shirren live... the article on the race says that when they split from the Swarm, it was generations later. Could you imagine when they did split? It could have been an era like the 60s. Free love with no queen telling you who to mate with and choice addicts going crazy with their new vices.
Actually with Shirren and their... choice problems, it could very well be a thing in their culture that parents will often opt out of parenting. Whose to say that Shirren dont have a robust social program to care and educate larva?
I think the most disturbing thing about the Shirren is that any TPK that includes Shirren PCs has a high likelihood of including the death of at least one child.
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yup, it seems more likely to be seen as socially deviant to be in a two unit relationship in Shirren culture as that would imply they are only in it for the love/physical intimacy vice breeding.I don't think that counts as polyamory, because the bugs seem to have a nuclear 3 insect unit.THIS IS MY FAVORITE DUMB DAD.I LOVE OUR POLYAMOROUS SPACE MEDIC DAD.
I think the "conservative" viewpoint - if there is such a thing in shirren culture - is that such pairs are just still looking for their third. Society would probably approach them more as singles now or couples without children are judged: "Oh, you'll find a third and have kids one day, I promise you. You might think you don't want them now, but that itch will start up, you'll realize there's something missing from being alone with just the two of you, and then that special third will walk into your life. It'll happen, I guarantee it."
Although, frankly, shirren choice-lust makes me believe that social norms in general are going to be fairly weakly enforced, so they might well never develop a construct analogous to a real-world "nuclear family." Singletons, pairs, trios, groups with even higher exponents, all accepted as-is, because no one wants to limit anyone else's options...
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I wonder is there are seedy option dens in Shirren settlements where choice-addicted shirren go to do things like make role playing game characters or build LEGOs.
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What I am trying to find is ... if I were to abandon the "default" setting, could they be reflavored as "psionics"?
You don't even have to abandon the setting to run a mystic as psychic.
And you don't have to play a mystic, or even a spellcasting class, if you want your character to have some noteworthy level of psychic power.
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I wonder is there are seedy option dens in Shirren settlements where choice-addicted shirren go to do things like make role playing game characters or build LEGOs.
Or shirren that seek out professional "doms", not as a sex thing, but for brief respites from the pressures of having to make their own decisions and choices.
I wonder if fidget spinners and gadgets would be popular with shirren?