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Thanks!

Almost finished book two of Iron Gods these are awesome.

Yay, this looks cool! Thanks so much for the rush in getting us this.

One question though: I really like how the sheets for Iron Gods offer 2 otherwise non-legal archetypes, except I'm not sure how I could ever make the Cyber-soldier work properly in PFS...

At 5th level, a cyber-soldier gains a +1 bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls with implanted weapons, cybernetic arms, and melee or thrown weapons wielded with a cybernetic arm.

But as far as I can tell, the first legal way to acquire a cyberarm is with the lvl 11+ sheet from Iron Gods (making your character at least lvl 12 and thus 'retired'). Am I overlooking something or is this archetype just not properly usable within PFS?

I know there are a lot of folks stoked about the Iron Gods boons, but the GS ones are pretty awesome, especially for a martial character. Enlarge 1/day as an SLA, and working on non-person persons, just awesome.

I can now play Iron Gods! Thank you, PFS!

SM

To be fair, you could before.

To be fair, you could before.

Usually, if you play it before it's sanctioned, you can't get credit once it is. I'm guessing StarMartyr didn't want to give up the chance to get credit for the Path.

Yay, this looks cool! Thanks so much for the rush in getting us this.

One question though: I really like how the sheets for Iron Gods offer 2 otherwise non-legal archetypes, except I'm not sure how I could ever make the Cyber-soldier work properly in PFS...

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At 5th level, a cyber-soldier gains a +1 bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls with implanted weapons, cybernetic arms, and melee or thrown weapons wielded with a cybernetic arm.

But as far as I can tell, the first legal way to acquire a cyberarm is with the lvl 11+ sheet from Iron Gods (making your character at least lvl 12 and thus 'retired'). Am I overlooking something or is this archetype just not properly usable within PFS?

Implanted weapons can be implanted into regular, non cybernetic arms if I remember right. So you're limited to those unfortunately until 11. Sad, because the only reason I'd want that archetype is for my natural weapon fighter who would love a couple of slam attacks, but not if it means waiting till level 11 and losing any usable weapon training at 5.

I may use this on a Gunslinger though, I like the Techslinger

Awesome news! Now I just have to resist the temptation to take a peek at the sheets before I can play in them!

Implanted weapons can be implanted into regular, non cybernetic arms if I remember right. So you're limited to those unfortunately until 11.

Well, none of those are legal. So you're still unable to benefit from it until 11th level.

Andrew L Klein wrote:

Implanted weapons can be implanted into regular, non cybernetic arms if I remember right. So you're limited to those unfortunately until 11.

Well, none of those are legal. So you're still unable to benefit from it until 11th level.

Oh, duh. Forgot about that whole "legality" thing in my excitement over all this...

I thought you could always apply a cert to a new level one character?

So you could:
GM the entirety of Iron Gods in Campaign Mode.
Apply all the certs (slow track) to a new legal PFS character.
(9XP total, 1.5 XP each)
This Cybersoldier PC would start at level 4 and once they had the requisite fame and gold, they can start hacking off their own limbs and replacing them with pure futuristic murder tools.

THE TWO MILLION GOLD PIECE MAN!
WE CAN (RE)BUILD HIM!

Just to make sure, only the character that you apply the campaign to can take an alien animal pet or the archetypes, correct?

I thought you could always apply a cert to a new level one character?

So you could:
GM the entirety of Iron Gods in Campaign Mode.
Apply all the certs (slow track) to a new legal PFS character.
(9XP total, 1.5 XP each)
This Cybersoldier PC would start at level 4 and once they had the requisite fame and gold, they can start hacking off their own limbs and replacing them with pure futuristic murder tools.

THE TWO MILLION GOLD PIECE MAN!
WE CAN (RE)BUILD HIM!

Unfortunately, after you apply one Chronicle (two Chronicles on slow), he's no longer level 1, and you can no longer apply the rest.

KestlerGunner wrote:

I thought you could always apply a cert to a new level one character?

So you could:
GM the entirety of Iron Gods in Campaign Mode.
Apply all the certs (slow track) to a new legal PFS character.
(9XP total, 1.5 XP each)
This Cybersoldier PC would start at level 4 and once they had the requisite fame and gold, they can start hacking off their own limbs and replacing them with pure futuristic murder tools.

THE TWO MILLION GOLD PIECE MAN!
WE CAN (RE)BUILD HIM!

Unfortunately, after you apply one Chronicle (two Chronicles on slow), he's no longer level 1, and you can no longer apply the rest.

IIRC, the rule is that you get access to the items, but you don't get access to the boons until that character reaches the minimum level for the chronicle sheet. And furthermore you can apply the chronicles in this way as long as the character has not been played at a level higher than 1.

Awesome news! Now I just have to resist the temptation to take a peek at the sheets before I can play in them!

There are some serious spoilers in there, so do try to avoid that.

Without any real surprise, I can say that there are rewards for putting the sheets mostly on the same character.

Also, the AP is awesome :)

Jeff Hazuka wrote:

KestlerGunner wrote:

I thought you could always apply a cert to a new level one character?

So you could:
GM the entirety of Iron Gods in Campaign Mode.
Apply all the certs (slow track) to a new legal PFS character.
(9XP total, 1.5 XP each)
This Cybersoldier PC would start at level 4 and once they had the requisite fame and gold, they can start hacking off their own limbs and replacing them with pure futuristic murder tools.

THE TWO MILLION GOLD PIECE MAN!
WE CAN (RE)BUILD HIM!

Unfortunately, after you apply one Chronicle (two Chronicles on slow), he's no longer level 1, and you can no longer apply the rest.

IIRC, the rule is that you get access to the items, but you don't get access to the boons until that character reaches the minimum level for the chronicle sheet. And furthermore you can apply the chronicles in this way as long as the character has not been played at a level higher than 1.

I'm cutting and pasting from across the GtOP here...

A GM may assign credit for running an adventure in any of the same ways a player can, and must follow the same rules as a player when applying credit to a character.

...
If a player uses an existing Pathfinder Society character for the adventure, he must apply the Chronicle sheet to that character immediately. A player who uses a pregenerated character must apply the Chronicle sheet to a 1st-level character or hold the Chronicle sheet until his character reaches the level of the pregenerated character.

A GM who runs a module may likewise apply the Chronicle sheet to one of her Pathfinder Society characters. The GM must decide which of her characters will receive the Chronicle sheet at the time when the module or sanctioned Adventure Path content is completed and the Chronicle sheets are filled out.
...
You may also opt instead to apply the Chronicle sheets earned with a non-1st-level pregenerated character to a 1st-level character with the amount of gp gained reduced, and any character specific boons earned must wait to be utilized until the character is of the same level as the subtier on the Chronicle sheet unless otherwise noted.

The GM can apply the Chronicle sheets to any PFS character. If she chooses to apply it to a level 1 character she gets reduced gold and access to the items on that Chronicle immediately but the boons have to wait until she reaches the minimum level of the module. If she applies the Chronicle to a non first-level character (as any character will be after having 3XP assigned to it) then nothing from the sheet is available - no boons, no items, no gold - until the character reaches the appropriate level. (The Chronicle is considered "held," not applied, until the character reaches the minimum level for the module.)

Hey John, nice job on them, I can't wait to hand them out to my players. We're half-way through Valley of the Brain Collectors.

I was wondering if the wording on The Divinity Drive chronicle means you only get access to Iron Apotheosis if all the credit is on the same character or if you as a player/gm have gained credit for all six you get it?

Thanks for the clarification on Cybernetic GM Credit Babies.
That makes a lot more sense.

Really want to play the Iron Gods path now. ^_^ So much win this week!
Seems like a great run for my dhampir gunslinger.

Everyone's enthousiasm makes me want to run another Adventure Path.
If only there were more hours in a day...

Outstanding!!!! Both eagerly awaited in my groups. Will have to roll d2 to decide which to play first.

Everyone's enthousiasm makes me want to run another Adventure Path.

If only there were more hours in a day...

I like running this one so far, but I find myself lacking an ongoing PF campaign to play in (PFS doesn't fully count).

Woran wrote:

Everyone's enthousiasm makes me want to run another Adventure Path.

If only there were more hours in a day...

I like running this one so far, but I find myself lacking an ongoing PF campaign to play in (PFS doesn't fully count).

Ive got Jade Regent once a week, and Kingmaker the other week (GM JR, play KM), and PFS once a week I'm quite busy with prep.

But there are so many good stories left to experience

Gary Bush wrote:

Awesome news! Now I just have to resist the temptation to take a peek at the sheets before I can play in them!

There are some serious spoilers in there, so do try to avoid that.

Without any real surprise, I can say that there are rewards for putting the sheets mostly on the same character.

Also, the AP is awesome :)

Really REALLY need to get this going going in my area..

SCARAB... is that where they played the game "Run Pathfinder"?

To be fair, you could before.

Not really. I usually end up being the GM and this is the adventure I've been waiting decades to PLAY. Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who would run it. Now I'll get that chance and I'll get to use my dusty PFS card.

SM

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IMHO, receiving credit and applying credit are two separate things, for purposes of the languages used for boons. For instance, the archetype-unlock from "Lords of Rust" is for this character only, and only once you apply that chronicle sheet.

TLDR, once you receive the first boon from "The Divinity Drive", it immediately applies, even before you apply this chronicle sheet to the PC.

(or, you can drop the 6th Chronicle down to 1st level and get access to everything except the 2nd boon, and then make your new character at level 3 with Divinity Drive and "Fires of Creation" applied, which is what I'm going to do for my new Iron Priest ;)

Speaking of Casandalee...

Thoughts?

That's very cool.
It would look awesome replicated as a pattern on brass fullplate too.

Speaking of Casandalee...

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Thoughts?

LOL I love it although I was thinking of this

I guess I am just not understanding how this boon can even be used, the best character to make with it would be one with the Iron Gods chronicles on it because *spoilery stuff*.

It can definitely be used by any character. The first half of the boon is cool enough by itself and many people (including myself) would be interested in building a character using that option alone. Because of the second half the optimized character would indeed be an Iron Gods character but even the second part of the boon will occasionally be able to be used by other characters (there are technological items on regular scenario chronicles from time to time).

As for the receiving credit/applying credit question I agree with Mike. I think the intention is that you can use the first boon (which is not character-specific) once you have earned all 6 chronicles, even if you earned them in campaign mode and assigned them to a character that cannot apply them yet.

Maybe John can chime in to clarify.

I cannot WAIT to get into a Iron Gods game now that it's been sanctioned. Any GM starting one soon here on PbP, please keep us informed on this thread!! :-D

I plan on opening PbP recruitment for one tonight or tomorrow morning CB!

Just popping in real quick to say that the Adventure Path volumes are now available to report and the .zip downloads are now included in Additional Resources and on the respective product pages :)

Love your work Chris!

Question from one of my locals about the boon from the Lords of Rust Chronicle Sheet:

Thanks in advance!

I would like to know the same thing with the alien animals.

Huh, here are another two that I apparently glossed over and misread (and perhaps as a result gave bad advice further up-thread...)

(on a personal note, if the answer to question 1 is "the character" and the answer to question 2 is "yes", I will be a little sad...)

Huh, here are another two that I apparently glossed over and misread:

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(on a personal note, if the answer to question 1 is "the character" and the answer to question 2 is "yes", I will be a little sad...)

Personal Reading, spoilered for others

Huh, here are another two that I apparently glossed over and misread (and perhaps as a result gave bad advice further up-thread...)

** spoiler omitted **

(on a personal note, if the answer to question 1 is "the character" and the answer to question 2 is "yes", I will be a little sad...)

After talking to the team:

Thanks, I'm going to be running these for my group. 8)
Any chance Hells Rebels, and or the new Hells Vengeance getting approved? ( I only really care about Hells Vengeance)
Skip

Mike Bramnik wrote:

Huh, here are another two that I apparently glossed over and misread (and perhaps as a result gave bad advice further up-thread...)

** spoiler omitted **

(on a personal note, if the answer to question 1 is "the character" and the answer to question 2 is "yes", I will be a little sad...)

After talking to the team:

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Awesome, thank you! You gals (and guy) rock!

(the highest praise from geologists )

Question from one of my locals about the boon from the Lords of Rust Chronicle Sheet:

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Thanks in advance!

Discussed the issue with the team.

The Tech Innovator boons contains two components. The first opens the archetype options for any of your characters. The second applies if you applied the chronicle to an applicable character and wish to swap out archetypes.

Tonya, are we correct in interpreting that, because of legal items, the Cyber Soldier archetype not only doesn't help till level 11 (an Iron Gods chronicle finally gives items the archetype works with), but actually hurts you due to losing those class features effectively without anything replacing them?

Thanks, I'm going to be running these for my group. 8)

Any chance Hells Rebels, and or the new Hells Vengeance getting approved? ( I only really care about Hells Vengeance)
Skip

Hell's Rebels is very likely to be sanctioned—no promises regarding the timeline just yet.

Hell's Vengeance is an Adventure Path we're going to examine more closely to determine how best to use it in the organized play campaign.

Tonya, are we correct in interpreting that, because of legal items, the Cyber Soldier archetype not only doesn't help till level 11 (an Iron Gods chronicle finally gives items the archetype works with), but actually hurts you due to losing those class features effectively without anything replacing them?

The archetype functions as written, which means that one would need to have a cybernetic arm to make the most of it. The Chronicle sheets printed to date do not provide such an item until higher levels. That means that the archetype does result in some delayed satisfaction—at least until we have such an item appear on a lower-level Chronicle sheet.

Andrew L Klein wrote:

Tonya, are we correct in interpreting that, because of legal items, the Cyber Soldier archetype not only doesn't help till level 11 (an Iron Gods chronicle finally gives items the archetype works with), but actually hurts you due to losing those class features effectively without anything replacing them?

The archetype functions as written, which means that one would need to have a cybernetic arm to make the most of it. The Chronicle sheets printed to date do not provide such an item until higher levels. That means that the archetype does result in some delayed satisfaction—at least until we have such an item appear on a lower-level Chronicle sheet.

Those guys could really use a hand. Their archetype bonuses cost them an arm and a leg.