Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest Round 2!

I'm very excited for these changes, but I just checked the playtest document in my downloads.........Did you guys update that yet? Or is there not going to be an update to the playtest document?

Awesome on the chronicle, including rebuild note, retroactive credit, and bonus credit for playing sooner than later.

Is this a separate document or is the doc just not updated yet?

Very happy. Am i missing the new playtest document somewhere?

Also the two lines for Playtest before July 20th.... is that for each playtest?

The document available from the playtest page is now updated. If you had it in your downloads already, all you'll need to do is redownload. Apologies for any confusion there!

Very happy. Am i missing the new playtest document somewhere?

Also the two lines for Playtest before July 20th.... is that for each playtest?

Each time you fulfill the playtesting conditions noted above on that Chronicle sheet before July 20th, you can fill in two lines instead of one. Played once at level 7+? Fill in both of those lines. Played a week later at level 3+? Fill in both of those lines.

That early playtest data is valuable, and we want to acknowledge that in how the Chronicle sheet functions.

JakBlitz wrote:

Very happy. Am i missing the new playtest document somewhere?

Also the two lines for Playtest before July 20th.... is that for each playtest?

Each time you fulfill the playtesting conditions noted above on that Chronicle sheet before July 20th, you can fill in two lines instead of one. Played once at level 7+? Fill in both of those lines. Played a week later at level 3+? Fill in both of those lines.

That early playtest data is valuable, and we want to acknowledge that in how the Chronicle sheet functions.

Awesome. Just wish my Vigilante was higher lvl.

The new document hasn't replaced the old one in the Ultimate Intrigue Playtest, at least for me.

The document available from the playtest page is now updated. If you had it in your downloads already, all you'll need to do is redownload. Apologies for any confusion there!

Just did, but the document within (that says modified today) doesn't reflect the changes mentioned in the blog. I confused.

Am also having difficulties.

Also having issues with the document being the same.

Same boat for me.

It looks like they accidentally put it in the Occult Adventures Playtest, I note mine says it was updated today, and when I downloaded it, I got the Round 2 document.

Interesting updates for the Zealot, need to look at the social talents more closely.

Confirmed. its under the Occult Adventures Playtest download in "Your Downloads"

The file in my downloads isn't the new version. So I think everyone is having the same issue with the download. Maybe make a new file name for it would fix the problem?

For Fey Touch, it reads, "unless it succeeds at a Will saving throw (DC = 1/2 the zealot’s vigilante level + the zealot vigilante’s Charisma modifier)." Shouldn't this be 10 + 1/2 the zealot's vigilante level + the zealot vigilante's Charisma modifier? (it should probably also be either zealot vigilante's or zealot's vigilante, but that's comparatively minor).

It's working for me! New Ultimate Intrigue PDF and even says Round 2 in the first page.

For Fey Touch, it reads, "unless it succeeds at a Will saving throw (DC = 1/2 the zealot’s vigilante level + the zealot vigilante’s Charisma modifier)." Shouldn't this be 10 + 1/2 the zealot's vigilante level + the zealot vigilante's Charisma modifier? (it should probably also be either zealot vigilante's or zealot's vigilante, but that's comparatively minor).

Yes it should be 10 + 1/2 the zealot's vigilante level + the zealot vigilante's Charisma modifier.

Loving the updates. Very nicely done! Need to take some time to digest everything...

I was surprised you guys removed Mad Rush, until I realized it's just hiding in the Living Shield paragraph.

Chronicle clarification request...

You may print out multiple copies of this Chronicle sheet and assign up to one per single-classed character that uses the vigilante playtest class. Each time you play an adventure with this character, have your GM fill one of the lines below that reflects your character’s level. If there is not an available line, you do not receive credit on this sheet for that adventure. If you are the GM and assigned credit to this PC, you may instead fill in a line if at least one single-class vigilante played at your table.

If I apply this at level 1 to a vigilante then take levels in another class can I still continue crossing off lines when playing?

Chronicle clarification request...

PFS chronicle wrote:

You may print out multiple copies of this Chronicle sheet and assign up to one per single-classed character that uses the vigilante playtest class. Each time you play an adventure with this character, have your GM fill one of the lines below that reflects your character’s level. If there is not an available line, you do not receive credit on this sheet for that adventure. If you are the GM and assigned credit to this PC, you may instead fill in a line if at least one single-class vigilante played at your table.

If I apply this at level 1 to a vigilante then take levels in another class can I still continue crossing off lines when playing?

Just like last time, has to be single-classed. The journeys of Bob, the 10th level Unchained rogue who also took 1 level of fey zealot to turn invisible during a move are far less useful to us than the journeys of Bob the 10th level zealot vigilante.

Mike Lindner wrote:

Chronicle clarification request...

PFS chronicle wrote:

You may print out multiple copies of this Chronicle sheet and assign up to one per single-classed character that uses the vigilante playtest class. Each time you play an adventure with this character, have your GM fill one of the lines below that reflects your character’s level. If there is not an available line, you do not receive credit on this sheet for that adventure. If you are the GM and assigned credit to this PC, you may instead fill in a line if at least one single-class vigilante played at your table.

If I apply this at level 1 to a vigilante then take levels in another class can I still continue crossing off lines when playing?

Just like last time, has to be single-classed. The journeys of Bob, the 10th level Unchained rogue who also took 1 level of fey zealot to turn invisible during a move are far less useful to us than the journeys of Bob the 10th level zealot vigilante.

That makes sense. I am assuming I can continue playing the character after the end of the playtest though, since I did already play as a single-classed vigilante (filling in at least one line on the chronicle), correct?

Mark Seifter wrote:

Mike Lindner wrote:

Chronicle clarification request...

PFS chronicle wrote:

You may print out multiple copies of this Chronicle sheet and assign up to one per single-classed character that uses the vigilante playtest class. Each time you play an adventure with this character, have your GM fill one of the lines below that reflects your character’s level. If there is not an available line, you do not receive credit on this sheet for that adventure. If you are the GM and assigned credit to this PC, you may instead fill in a line if at least one single-class vigilante played at your table.

If I apply this at level 1 to a vigilante then take levels in another class can I still continue crossing off lines when playing?

Just like last time, has to be single-classed. The journeys of Bob, the 10th level Unchained rogue who also took 1 level of fey zealot to turn invisible during a move are far less useful to us than the journeys of Bob the 10th level zealot vigilante.

That makes sense. I am assuming I can continue playing the character after the end of the playtest though, since I did already play as a single-classed vigilante (filling in at least one line on the chronicle), correct?

Yup, that's the first reward.

Loving the changes. Now I wish I had started my PbP playtest with a Zealot instead of a Warlock! The Zealot now holds much more promise in my opinion than it did before.

I also enjoy that the Stalker now deals MORE damage with hidden strike when the foe is unaware, but LESS damage than a rogue when simply flanking. Gives you a reason to truly consider whether you'd prefer to be a rogue or a Stalker vigilante. :)

Ooh, and I like cunning feint! Not sure if that was in the first version of the playtest, but I just noticed it. Very cool!

Oh man, and so is "Leave an Opening!" What a great way to get extra attacks when surrounded by enemies!

Shiny

Ooh, I totally want to play a CG Fey Zealot who can smite evil... I just don't know if I want to play it enough to use the GM credit I was saving for my Occultist.

Curses!

I would have preferred if Domain had remained an option for the Zealot.
Does the divine power chosen provide an extra talent at 1st level, or the Zealot selects the base divine power as his first talent at 2nd level? Must his deity's alignment be appropriate only for his vigilante identity, and not for his social identity too?
Also: so now the social and vigilante alignment can be one step removed in DIAGONALS too? That's something new... O_o

I hope we will still be getting the Medium blog today as well.

Looking over the play test, the first thing that jumps out is the loosening of the alignment restrictions. THANK YOU. This opens up so many more character options!

Looking over the play test, the first thing that jumps out is the loosening of the alignment restrictions. THANK YOU. This opens up so many more character options!

The first thing I noticed is how Avenger failed to change in any meaningful way.

I hope we will still be getting the Medium blog today as well.

But that would have required me to write two blog posts for the same day. Can either you or I handle that kind of confluence?

Do GM's judging a table with a vigilante also get to fill in 2 lines for one adventure efore July 20, or is that only for playing as a vigilante?

zergtitan wrote:

I hope we will still be getting the Medium blog today as well.

But that would have required me to write two blog posts for the same day. Can either you or I handle that kind of confluence?

so does that mean its been moved to Friday? :(

Ah! You gave the warlock's familiar a social identity! Someone read my feedback! :D

You gentlemen really outdid yourself on the social talents. They're all very cool and helpful. I think the vigilante could make due with some more talents that didn't lean so heavily on the renown social talent, but overall great stuff. I like that the vigilante can actually make for a more effective social character early on.

I like the zealot's divine power sources from a quick read, although there definitely need to be more in the final cut; its looking like this might be the divine equivalent to the bloodrager, which is exciting. You might want to consider a "clandestine" divine power or something, however, for players who are still looking for that "secret cultist" feel.

Warlock still looks pretty empty in regards to how many talents it has available to it and I suspect that zealot is in a similar boat as a result of most of its old talents getting scrapped for specialization-specific options. This could be problematic for the class's post-Ultimate Intrigue design. For example, if Owen decides that he REALLY wants to see a Daemonic Divine Power (because who WOULDN'T want to be empowered by the Four Horsemen). In addition to having to create a new divine power, he'd also have to create a slew of new zealot-specific talents to compliment the Daemonic Divine Power because it wouldn't be able to choose any of the Abyssal or Infernal zealot talents because those all have specific, divine power prerequisites.

Its also weird that the fey divine power alters the spell list, but not the spells known. Even if you have a different set of powers, the fey zealot is behind one spell per level when compared to the other three divine powers. A simple solution would be to tie the zealot spell list to the divine power for all divine powers. Maybe celestial could be cleric + paladin, abyssal and infernal could be cleric + antipaladin, fey could be druid + ranger, then that "clandestine" one that I mentioned could be inquisitor. Overall, that concept of varying spell lists is super cool and could help GMs make it even MORE difficult for PCs to guess what, exactly, they're fighting when they go head-to-head with a zealot.

Also, it would be nice for some of those other class features to come back. Zealots with warpriest blessings make too much sense to me, personally.

So does this mean we can keep filling out lines after July 20th till August 17th but get 2 for 1 before the 20th?

Its also weird that the fey divine power alters the spell list, but not the spells known. Even if you have a different set of powers, the fey zealot is behind one spell per level when compared to the other three divine powers. A simple solution would be to tie the zealot spell list to the divine power for all divine powers. Maybe celestial could be cleric + paladin, abyssal and infernal could be cleric + antipaladin, fey could be druid + ranger, then that "clandestine" one that I mentioned could be inquisitor....

When I was looking at what Stephen did there, in my mind the early-access ranger spells and the extraordinary power of the fey base ability seemed a good match for getting 1 fewer spell known per level.

So does this mean we can keep filling out lines after July 20th till August 17th but get 2 for 1 before the 20th?

You sure can!

Alexander Augunas wrote:

Its also weird that the fey divine power alters the spell list, but not the spells known. Even if you have a different set of powers, the fey zealot is behind one spell per level when compared to the other three divine powers. A simple solution would be to tie the zealot spell list to the divine power for all divine powers. Maybe celestial could be cleric + paladin, abyssal and infernal could be cleric + antipaladin, fey could be druid + ranger, then that "clandestine" one that I mentioned could be inquisitor....

When I was looking at what Stephen did there, in my mind the early-access ranger spells and the extraordinary power of the fey base ability seemed a good match for getting 1 fewer spell known per level.

I agree that a better solution is to buff the other divine powers to include the paladin lists + cleric lists.

This not only makes them more balanced against each other, but it makes them more unique compared to other classes with divine spellcasting, which is a lot.

Is anyone else still having trouble getting the new playest document? I just downloaded a new copy and I'm still getting the old document.

Edit: Nevermind. Just downloaded for a 3rd time and I got the new version this time.

Is anyone else still having trouble getting the new playest document? I just downloaded a new copy and I'm still getting the old document.

Mine was in the Occult adventures playtest.

I am really excited, can't wait to go through the new document.

Alexander Augunas wrote:

Its also weird that the fey divine power alters the spell list, but not the spells known. Even if you have a different set of powers, the fey zealot is behind one spell per level when compared to the other three divine powers. A simple solution would be to tie the zealot spell list to the divine power for all divine powers. Maybe celestial could be cleric + paladin, abyssal and infernal could be cleric + antipaladin, fey could be druid + ranger, then that "clandestine" one that I mentioned could be inquisitor....

When I was looking at what Stephen did there, in my mind the early-access ranger spells and the extraordinary power of the fey base ability seemed a good match for getting 1 fewer spell known per level.

I don't think early-access ranger spells should be considered a balancing point since the fey zealot spellcasting is, in all ways, identical to the hunter's spell list, who also has animal focuses, an animal companion, and all summon nature's ally spells from Level 1 to 6.

In discussion of the 1st-level ability of the fey power, if its THAT much stronger than the others that it justifies loosing one spell known per level, then I'd suggest toning it down. Alterations and trade-offs like that are great for archetypes and expansions to a class after its been established, but having a "trade-off" like that built into the base class doesn't feel right, like its incomplete or an omission. It would be as if the aberrant bloodrager had a slightly better 1st-level bloodline power and no bonus bloodline spells. Rather than looking cool, I'm willing to bet that it would unfortunately be regarded as if you gentleman simply forgot to give that bloodline bonus spells.

Maybe consider repurposing vanishing step into a vigilante talent and giving the fey divine power a new 1st-level ability and bonus spells known?

wow love the social talents!
love the stalker stuff so far too

Question on Warlock
"His spells are drawn from the sorcerer/
wizard spell list, presented in Chapter 10 of the Core
Rulebook."
Does that mean he only gains the spells listed in the corebook and no access to spells from say ultimate or advanced lines?

I really want to try this and haven't really any options. I need to look up PFS stuff and see if I can find one where I moved recently.

I am excited to test drive the new vigilante, the zealot has flavour now beyond inquisitor lite.

Now how do I change my head into a flaming skull, and how do I get a burning skeletal horse mount?

Awesome updates. Now I just want to know what this "Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild" is...

Awesome updates. Now I just want to know what this "Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild" is...

same

This could be a troubling ruling. I primarily run PFS in my boxers for my wee puppet friends.

So I honestly thought that Mad Rush was gone, but it's actually just unfinished editing. It's in the same paragraph as Living Shield instead of having it's own separate category. I still feel a -6 to AC for pounce is rather much. Especially considering you have to be 12th level to get it. If it was allowed at a lower level, and the penalty diminished by 2 at 12th, then maybe. At that level you're fighting large and huge creatures that will very much take AoO on you, and essentially nothing short of a 1 will miss. Even Dodge and Mobility barely help to mitigate that.

Glad to finally see the Chronicle Sheet. Time to do some retconning.

Also, when the final product comes out, PLEASE!!! have more Social talents available at levels 1-5. Nothing's more frustrating than seeing talents that are only available at level 7 and higher for 3/4 of the list. Every vigilante is practically guaranteed to have the same social talent at 1, 3, and 5. You might as well just give them those automatically as class abilities, and start the talent selection at level 7.

This could be a troubling ruling. I primarily run PFS in my boxers for my wee puppet friends.

*Doesn't want to make more updates to the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play...might have to add another update to the guide...*

I would never want to be a part of any guild that would have me as a member

but srsly

is this what PFS stands for now or is it something else