Faction Evolution, Part III: History and Politics

Monday, June 30, 2014

Three weeks ago, we briefly discussed the impact of faction PCs' decisions in the campaign and how these decisions have shaped the direction that these factions are going. The following week on the Know Direction podcast, John Compton expanded on what this evolution might entail for many factions: name changes, shifting goals, and even changes in leadership. Most recently, we shared how the Andoran an Cheliax factions are developing over time.

As advertised over a year ago, the so-called nation-based factions have spent the past season (or longer for some like the Cheliax faction) distancing themselves from their parent countries to embrace less territorial and more broadly philosophical endeavors. When the Pathfinder Society Organized Play leaders began discussing how factions would change, we looked at the reporting numbers contributed by players worldwide and carefully considered how the faction might change to reflect this information while still appealing to a large percentage of its members. For example, members of the Silver Crusade faction tend to be good guys, so changing that faction to be neutrally aligned would discourage a lot of players.

Both of our factions for today tap into the past in the hope of creating a better world, though their methods and vision of what constitutes "better" differ. Be warned that there are some light spoilers from Season 5 scenarios referenced below—particularly for the Scarab Sages and developments that appear in the Destiny of the Sands trilogy.


Illustration by Ben Wootten

Scarab Sages: Unlock the Wisdom of the Past for a Brighter Future

Nearly two years ago, agents of the Osirion faction brought a collection of Thassilonian relics to offer to the Ruby Prince Khemet III. One of these relics was cursed, and it afflicted the Ruby Prince with a terrible wasting affliction. Despite the faction's attempts to find a cure, they were unable to remove the curse, and the monarch resorted to powerful magic to be rid of it. Disappointed by Amenopheus and his agents both for overlooking the curse and failing to remove it, Khemet III dismissed the Sapphire Sage and the Pathfinder allies from his service.

Season 5 has given Amenopheus ample time to catch up on past projects, including researching the mysterious order of Jeweled Sages to which he belongs (and appeared to be the last surviving member). About a year ago we discovered that he is not alone, when faction PCs began to hear rumors about the Diamond Sage and learned the secret history of the Jeweled Sages (as well as how Amenopheus gained his power and wisdom). With the assistance of Osirion faction PCs, the two sages have reestablished their order independent of the Osirian state, intent on recruiting new sages to those replaced millennia ago, securing ancient secrets, and disseminating that lore to modern innovators to spark a new golden age of thought and technology. Working with the Pathfinder Society to unearth these secrets is only logical.

How will the Osirion faction be different? Although the faction may not be a direct agent of Osirion, there's still a great deal in that nation that ties into the Jeweled Sages; the faction will still have plenty to do in its old stomping ground. The faction is also interested in recruiting new sages, which means recovering the lost sage jewels and finding worthy inheritors of that power. The leadership of the faction remains up in the air, so there's still time to influence that aspect. Despite these subtle shifts, the faction remains a strong choice for scholars and Osirion enthusiasts alike.

Sovereign Court: Nobility United for a Common Cause

For an empire in decline, war is both a blessing and a curse. On one hand it drains resources from already dwindling coffers. On the other hand, it provides a cause to rally behind, spurring squabbling houses to cooperate and struggling industries to increase production. Such was Lady Gloriana Morilla's thinking when she tried to convince the Taldan nobility to send more support to Mendev to combat the Worldwound. In numerous campaigns that united nations against a common evil, Taldor had led the charge, so why not do so again and return Taldor to the spotlight?

Although Lady Morilla found a few like-minded allies at home, many of her peers laughed off the idea. Sending more troops north would leave the southern border vulnerable to Qadiran aggression, argued some, whereas others simply laughed off the idea as idle fancy by an upstart who had spent more time in Absalom than in Oppara. Since words were not enough, Lady Morilla raised a self-styled Army of Exploration (which sees action in an upcoming scenario) with the assistance of Taldor faction PCs. The idea had been to inspire Taldor's leadership to party less and lead more. In this regard she failed, for the majority have not changed their attitudes and view her campaign as an amusing curiosity. Taldor is not a lost cause, but its inertia is too great for the faction to change it on its own.

Instead, Lady Morilla is examining some of the unintended fruits of the faction's work—in particular the stronger relationships she has with several noble houses in other nations. What if, rather than work exclusively in Taldor, the faction instead worked through other nations' leadership to create a network of like-minded aristocrats that all promote the virtues of nobility and strong governance? This secretive sovereign court would have an agenda all its own, not one tied to any one nation. Under Lady Morilla's leadership, the faction focuses on second-tier nobility of each nation, using them to act as the powers behind their respective thrones to steer national policy. Perhaps years or decades in the future, this shared vision will birth a new continent-spanning empire through politics rather than conquest—one that will bring prosperity and peace to the Inner Sea region.

What does this mean for the Taldor faction? Glory and politics are still central themes for the faction, and it's still a great home for those who love both audacious action and court intrigue. Nothing stops PCs from being active in Taldor, but the goal is now something bigger and bolder. Of course, the Pathfinder Society is happy to have the Sovereign Court as an ally, for friendly nobles are more likely to allow Pathfinders into countries where the Society had once been banned.

Happy gaming!

John Compton and Mike Brock
Developer and Global Organized Play Coordinator

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5/5 5/55/55/5

So whats next, an association of legitimate businessmen and legitimate businessmen buy each other out ?

4/5

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The hell with that!

LONG LIVE TALDOR! DOWN WITH THE TRAITOR GLORIANA MORILLA!

My three Taldans will be moving over to whatever country lies northeast of Taldor.

3/5 5/5 *

Yes, we can never have enough factions whose initials are S.C. or whose names start with SC if the faction name is just one word.

Silver Crusade 4/5 5/55/55/55/5 *****

DM Beckett wrote:
Ross Byers wrote:
DM Beckett wrote:
working class nobles

That's a contradiction in terms.

Anyway, there are so many levels of peerage, I doubt 'second-tier nobility' means knights and other non-hereditary titles. I interpreted it to mean "barons, viscounts, and other nobles unimportant enough that they won't upset continuity".

Possibly, it's all speculation. I meant more "working class" nobility, or maybe "Hands-On" nobility, vs the more administrative or hosting/patronage types. Second-tier nobility could mean a lot of different things, but I'm tending think more along the lines of (in addition to the lesser nobility), possibly the younger brother/sister that isn't likely to inherit things, but still might hold a great deal of influence, the church, and maybe things like captains. We will see in a few days, though.

I think "lesser nobility" fits best. In keeping with Paizo's fun record of having Golarion sort-of-mimic Earth, this is kind of how the Crusades started in the first place - lots of second-seventh sons with titles but no inheritance getting uppity and fighting lots locally being shipped off for a "greater cause" elsewhere.

5/5

Chris O'Reilly wrote:
However much the fit the character I dont think I can bring myself to say I belong to the Sovereign Court or Liberty's Edge. Dark Archive and Scarab Sages are quite interesting though.

I don't think I can bring myself to simply *say* the new names, let alone belong to them.

whew... You make an extremely good point (SCzarni, SCarab Sages, Silver Crusade, Sovereign Court). Sounds Crazy.

Grand Lodge 1/5

Alexander Augunas wrote:

So the Sovereign Court is essentially, "Aristocrats try to fund the UN?"

Interesting.

David Neilson wrote:
Really, it sounds more like "Hey lets start the Illuminati!"

And here, as I was reading it, I thought to myself "This seems to be a combination of the UN and Illuminati". Then I read the comments and see within the first five posts both are mentioned. I enjoy it when stuff like that happens.

4/5

BigNorseWolf wrote:
So whats next, an association of legitimate businessmen and legitimate businessmen buy each other out ?

Yep! The Szarni will now be known as the Szarne' (pronounced Sar-Nay) to lessen the roughness that the original name evoked. It was bad for business!

5/5 5/55/55/5

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June Soler wrote:

The hell with that!

LONG LIVE TALDOR! DOWN WITH THE TRAITOR GLORIANA MORILLA!

My three Taldans will be moving over to whatever country lies northeast of Taldor.

Paints "Galt welcomes nobility" on the lunette of a guilotine

The Exchange 5/5 RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

Ross Byers wrote:


Also, I think it's interesting the Venture-Captain Varian Jeggare would be most interested in the ex-Taldor faction.

That was my first thought, as well.

Shadow Lodge 4/5 5/5 *

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Ironically I see my high level cleric fitting in even more. She's been more about 'stabilizing' Taldor.. (she fears a civil war in the near future with the Emperor's death. She favors a shift from the male centered progression to 'senior heir' progression)

Not sure about the Scarab Sages..waiting to see who comes out on top..

Silver Crusade

My main Taldan character has always been personally in-lov--I mean loyal to Lady Gloriana, and fully supported her ambitions, so this changes little for him.

Shadow Lodge 1/5

The Sovereign Court sounds like it might be where my ex-shadow lodge inquisitor should be, instead of the grand lodge.
She wants to be the puppet master, following the way of her old master (Torch).

Guess I'll have to front up with 21+ prestige.
Why is changing factions so expensive (between 50-100% of your prestige earned up to that point)?

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/55/5

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Inquisitor Thrace wrote:

The Sovereign Court sounds like it might be where my ex-shadow lodge inquisitor should be, instead of the grand lodge.

She wants to be the puppet master, following the way of her old master (Torch).

Guess I'll have to front up with 21+ prestige.
Why is changing factions so expensive (between 50-100% of your prestige earned up to that point)?

Believe there was mention of Free Faction changes all around in August when the new factions go live.

Silver Crusade 2/5

Kadasbrass Loreweaver wrote:
Inquisitor Thrace wrote:

The Sovereign Court sounds like it might be where my ex-shadow lodge inquisitor should be, instead of the grand lodge.

She wants to be the puppet master, following the way of her old master (Torch).

Guess I'll have to front up with 21+ prestige.
Why is changing factions so expensive (between 50-100% of your prestige earned up to that point)?

Believe there was mention of Free Faction changes all around in August when the new factions go live.

Yep! Anyone can change factions for free at the beginning of season 6. Source.

Sovereign Court

If I were a ruler I would cut off any attempt of spreading this faction into my realm, most likely along with the local membership's heads.

Scarab Sages 4/5

Brett Carlos wrote:
Walter Helgason wrote:
Yes, this gives my Taldan paladin a good way to spread the good news of Taldan culture to the rest of the world.
My Talden Cavalier would most heartily agree. Perhaps we can work together to steer the local lodges in a better direction.

My a Lantern Lodge turned Taldan ninja welcomes this change. Life in Taldor was growing tiresome. Too may self important nobles who only pretend to appreciate art, while never understanding it. Perhaps now she will find a way to aid Lady Morilla back in her homeland of Tian Xia. Surely the Lady will want to extend her influence East. Now, to grab a noble title while she still can.

My decidedly non-noble Taldan Bard will continue to pay off the debt he owes Lady Morilla, while continuing to take the opportunity to make jabs at his homeland's expense.

Sovereign Court 5/5

The White Sorcerer wrote:
If I were a ruler I would cut off any attempt of spreading this faction into my realm, most likely along with the local membership's heads.

This, my dear Sorcerer, is exactly why we will be rather secretive and discrete.

Silver Crusade 4/5

June Soler wrote:

The hell with that!

LONG LIVE TALDOR! DOWN WITH THE TRAITOR GLORIANA MORILLA!

My three Taldans will be moving over to whatever country lies northeast of Taldor.

Maybe you can get Baron VonHeadless back to lead the "Old Taldor" faction.

Scarab Sages 4/5 5/5

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After a casting of fox's cunning

Enough! It is getting hard to keep these factions straight. Too much movement, too much distrust. First Torch betrays me and his Shadow Lodge disbands? Now Osirion disown Amenopheus? I have had enough of this! It is time for Rukk to forge his own place in the world!

Earlier this year, in glorious combat against a deadly foe, I ripped the flesh from a serpent of lightning and drank of his marrow. When I presented the severed head to the Linnorm Kings, they elevated me to the position of Jarl and granted me territory in the Stormspear Mountains. Here, among these icy peaks, I will forge my new kingdom, one of-

Fox's cunning expires

Uh.

Scratches head and looks around nervously

Amen-mo-pus leave Osirion? I guess that OK. Rukk follow wizard man.

Liberty's Edge 3/5

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A quick question about Risen Guards of the Osirion faction.

Since they are sworn to the Ruby Prince, do they remove themselves from the society since they are forbidden to switch factions, do they automatically join the Scarab Sages as that is the evolution of their faction, or does the radical shift in the nature of their service allow them to choose a new faction?

Grand Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento

Flavor wise, it makes no sense to let them switch.

Fairness wise, it would really suck to hose them by locking them out of game.

I would like to see something in between.

The Exchange 5/5

Slartibart wrote:

A quick question about Risen Guards of the Osirion faction.

Since they are sworn to the Ruby Prince, do they remove themselves from the society since they are forbidden to switch factions, do they automatically join the Scarab Sages as that is the evolution of their faction, or does the radical shift in the nature of their service allow them to choose a new faction?

The Ruby Prince will invoice any Risen Guard PCs for the cost of the free Raise Dead they received. They have one week to pay up, as well as return all Guard uniforms and accessories, or the claim will be sent to The Pickled Imp collections agency for recovery.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/55/5

All hail drakkar of Kaer Magna!

Sovereign Court 5/5 RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

Hmm, Shankar might find the Dark Vault or the Scarab Sages his ball of wax.

Dark Archive

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The Darkive (one word for those in the know)

Shadow Lodge 4/5

MeriDoc- wrote:
The Darkive (one word for those in the know)

To be honest, this is the first name for the new factions I've really gotten behind. Sovereign Court, Liberty's Edge, and Dark Archive are all okay. Not great, not terrible. Scarab Sages is terrible. But Darkive is pretty awesome.

Kind of curious if they new what sovereign means when they picked that name, as it seems to be the exact opposite of what they faction is going for. Then again, maybe not?

Shadow Lodge 1/5

I must have rolled well for my "gather information" check.
Thanks for your assistance and I hope to one day repay in kind.

The Sovereign Court will gain access to a growing spy network.

Grand Lodge 4/5

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DM Beckett wrote:
Kind of curious if they new what sovereign means when they picked that name, as it seems to be the exact opposite of what they faction is going for. Then again, maybe not?

I dunno, a court that holds supreme power seems to be exactly what the faction is going for.

5/5

DM Beckett wrote:
MeriDoc- wrote:
The Darkive (one word for those in the know)

To be honest, this is the first name for the new factions I've really gotten behind. Sovereign Court, Liberty's Edge, and Dark Archive are all okay. Not great, not terrible. Scarab Sages is terrible. But Darkive is pretty awesome.

Kind of curious if they new what sovereign means when they picked that name, as it seems to be the exact opposite of what they faction is going for. Then again, maybe not?

"I do this for SoCo!"

......that might just work.

Shadow Lodge

zefig wrote:

"I do this for SoCo!"

......that might just work.

"I do this for the shadowy, possibly treasonous organization that I'm not supposed let slip actually exists!"

Hmmm... a bit of a mouth full...

Silver Crusade 4/5

SCPRedMage wrote:
zefig wrote:

"I do this for SoCo!"

......that might just work.

"I do this for the shadowy, possibly treasonous organization that I'm not supposed let slip actually exists!"

Hmmm... a bit of a mouth full...

"I do this for the Illuminati!"

fnord

3/5

Jeff Merola wrote:
DM Beckett wrote:
Kind of curious if they new what sovereign means when they picked that name, as it seems to be the exact opposite of what they faction is going for. Then again, maybe not?
I dunno, a court that holds supreme power seems to be exactly what the faction is going for.

Yeah, they're going for the whole benevolent oligarchy thing. Not a fan. But given Lady Morilla's season 5 moves, I'm pretty sure I'm not surprised.

Shadow Lodge

SCPRedMage wrote:
zefig wrote:

"I do this for SoCo!"

......that might just work.

"I do this for the shadowy, possibly treasonous organization that I'm not supposed let slip actually exists!"

Hmmm... a bit of a mouth full...

"I DO THIS FOR <redacted>"

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/55/5

Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Maps Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

I do this for the Sovereign!

Outsiders don't need to know its anything related to a secret order of nobles preparing the world for a brighter future. As far as they know its for King and Country. I'm sure our Chelish cousins can teach us all about saying one thing and meaning something else.

Sovereign Court 4/5

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"I do this for the Greater Good."
(in unison) "The Greater Good."

Shadow Lodge 2/5

Lol I might just have to turn that Mwangi stick fighting swashbuckler idea I have into a soon to be Mwangi chief and stick him with the new Taldor faction. Sounds way cool.

Shadow Lodge 2/5

Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Slartibart wrote:

A quick question about Risen Guards of the Osirion faction.

Since they are sworn to the Ruby Prince, do they remove themselves from the society since they are forbidden to switch factions, do they automatically join the Scarab Sages as that is the evolution of their faction, or does the radical shift in the nature of their service allow them to choose a new faction?

I am vastly interested in this as well. Since effectively, they aren't leaving Osirion, rather Osirion left them. makes sense to me to allow in this unique circumstance a full release from the binds of their faction. but you could also say that Amenopheus is somehow able to retain control over their will and keep them in his service rather than the Ruby Prince himself.


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Warwick Cailean wrote:

"I do this for the Greater Good."

(in unison) "The Greater Good."

We're making a better world.

:)

-j

Dark Archive

Dark Archive - Darkive!
Sovereign Court - Glory!
Liberty's edge - Freedom!
Scarab Sages - For an enlightened world that cooperates based on the knowledge of Osirian's golden Age applied to the myriad current issues of today!(mainly a gnomish warcry)

Im just silly sometimes.

Silver Crusade 4/5

MeriDoc- wrote:

Dark Archive - Darkive!

Sovereign Court - Glory!
Liberty's edge - Freedom!

Scarab Sages - Knowledge!

Sczarni - Greed!
Qadira (or whatever it ends up being called) - Commerce!
Silver Crusade - Goodness!
Grand Lodge - Explore! Report! Cooperate!

You know, the first and last are the only ones that wouldn't really work for explaining the factions to a newbie.

Liberty's Edge 4/5

Fromper wrote:
Grand Lodge - Explore! Report! Cooperate! <For my Masters that think for me! that GMT totally hasn't already murdered for being idoits. . .> or <I don't care about Faction, I just want to play something!>

:P

Shadow Lodge

Fromper wrote:
MeriDoc- wrote:

Dark Archive - Darkive!

Sovereign Court - Glory!
Liberty's edge - Freedom!

Scarab Sages - Knowledge!

Sczarni - Greed!
Qadira (or whatever it ends up being called) - Commerce!
Silver Crusade - Goodness!
Grand Lodge - Explore! Report! Cooperate!

Clearly this means that the Grand Lodge is three times as awesome as the other factions.

The Exchange

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That Sczarni battlecry is all wrong.

They have no battlecry. Last thing they want is to be noticed. They are all nice family businessmen and women. That are always around to pick up the pieces (and profits) when the dust settles. :)

-sharra

Grand Lodge 5/5

Sharra Tal wrote:

That Sczarni battlecry is all wrong.

They have no battlecry. Last thing they want is to be noticed. They are all nice family businessmen and women. That are always around to pick up the pieces (and profits) when the dust settles. :)

-sharra

Agreed sister. Battlecries are... bad for business.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Samiel Enyeto wrote:
Sharra Tal wrote:

That Sczarni battlecry is all wrong.

They have no battlecry. Last thing they want is to be noticed. They are all nice family businessmen and women. That are always around to pick up the pieces (and profits) when the dust settles. :)

-sharra

Agreed sister. Battlecries are... bad for business.

Sczarni "battlecry", usually said softly: Profit!

Although my one Sczarni PC isn't in it for profit, greed, or material advantage. He is in it for spreading spiritual enlightment: For Razmir!

Shadow Lodge 1/5

Jason Wu wrote:
Warwick Cailean wrote:

"I do this for the Greater Good."

(in unison) "The Greater Good."

We're making a better world.

:)

-j

This oddly reminds me about a few years ago when we aligned the then 10 factions with Babylon 5 races/factions. B5 was the Shadow Lodge and Grand Lodge was Earthgov.

Then then they got rid of the SL in the way that they did and this made me sad.

5/5 * Venture-Lieutenant, Spain—Madrid

What will happen with Year of the Risen Rune Taldor faction boon (Proud but discouraged)?

Because there will be no more member of Taldor faction to take aid another action.

Shadow Lodge

Miguel Madrid del Ama wrote:


What will happen with Year of the Risen Rune Taldor faction boon (Proud but discouraged)?

Because there will be no more member of Taldor faction to take aid another action.

Well, considering that the Taldor faction is becoming the Sovereign Court faction, I'd imagine that they would be considered one and the same; in other words, Sovereign Court members would count as Taldor for a boon that specifies Taldor members.

The same would apply for the other factions that are getting new names; the interesting one would be the Exchange, since it's the result of two factions merging; I would imagine members of the Exchange would count as both Sczarni and Qadira members, for the older boons...

5/5 * Venture-Lieutenant, Spain—Madrid

SCPRedMage wrote:
Miguel Madrid del Ama wrote:


What will happen with Year of the Risen Rune Taldor faction boon (Proud but discouraged)?

Because there will be no more member of Taldor faction to take aid another action.

Well, considering that the Taldor faction is becoming the Sovereign Court faction, I'd imagine that they would be considered one and the same; in other words, Sovereign Court members would count as Taldor for a boon that specifies Taldor members.

The same would apply for the other factions that are getting new names; the interesting one would be the Exchange, since it's the result of two factions merging; I would imagine members of the Exchange would count as both Sczarni and Qadira members, for the older boons...

Yeah, I suppose.

But I have experience with rules lawyers in the past. And I sure that questions like this, are going to focus more than a few forum threads.

Scarab Sages

hxcmike wrote:
Slartibart wrote:

A quick question about Risen Guards of the Osirion faction.

Since they are sworn to the Ruby Prince, do they remove themselves from the society since they are forbidden to switch factions, do they automatically join the Scarab Sages as that is the evolution of their faction, or does the radical shift in the nature of their service allow them to choose a new faction?

I am vastly interested in this as well. Since effectively, they aren't leaving Osirion, rather Osirion left them. makes sense to me to allow in this unique circumstance a full release from the binds of their faction. but you could also say that Amenopheus is somehow able to retain control over their will and keep them in his service rather than the Ruby Prince himself.

I'm in this camp as well. I'm a little curious how the Risen (and their boon) will be handled - or, if the coordinators and such will take time to address it. I'm hoping they do, but, I think that they'll address each faction's change in mechanics.

But, the thing of it is that I can't think of another faction boon that is so inherently tied to serving the Pharoah as the Risen are. By definition, we're absolutely sworn to the defense of the Pharoah, his family, and the Nation. I was always just a little uncomfortable with taking orders from Amenopheus, but now that he's been officially outcast, I don't know how the Pharoah would take it if I was still working for him. ...
I'm at 11.2 and only need one more game (technically two, for half-credit) to retire into the Eyes of Ten, and module play ... but, it's more about the idea of what happens to my character; it's an RP thing.
I guess this is the first time that I've been glad I've only gotten to play twice in the last year, since I really don't want to retire him. I guess I'll find out in a month, long before I play another game.

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