Introducing Six New Agents!

I look forward to going over the characters.

I am excited to add more options to my pregen binder.

Wow, thanks for having these out so early!

Why is the Iconic Kenesist a young human? Last I checked that wouldn't be PFS legal.

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Why is the Iconic Kenesist a young human? Last I checked that wouldn't be PFS legal.

The iconic characters aren't really created with PFS in mind. I'm assuming whoever ordered the art for the kineticist imagined her as a young human and wrote the character's backstory with that in mind. Can one of us create a young character for PFS? No, but you can play this one.

The iconics for OA were specifically designed to showcase a wider range of humanity than they have typically done before, which is why we have a young human, an elderly human and an overweight human among them this time.

Last I checked that wouldn't be PFS legal.

The pregens are allowed to break the rules of PFS if the developers deem it necessary. Refer to the Evil pregens in Serpent's Rise.

Can one of us create a young character for PFS? No, but you can play this one.

I hadn't heard that before. Is that in the character creation section of the guide, or is that on the messageboards someplace?

I have a Kitsune character I just started whose human form is a child (even though the Kitsune herself isn't). Is that illegal?

Dylos wrote:

Why is the Iconic Kenesist a young human? Last I checked that wouldn't be PFS legal.

The iconic characters aren't really created with PFS in mind. I'm assuming whoever ordered the art for the kineticist imagined her as a young human and wrote the character's backstory with that in mind. Can one of us create a young character for PFS? No, but you can play this one.

Right, but it makes her the first iconic that cannot be used as an actual character and leveled up, since it's only legal to play her as a pregen.

Any other pregen, a player can decide they like the character and continue to use them by leveling them up, but this one cannot be leveled up since they would no longer be legal.

Tyler Beck wrote:

Can one of us create a young character for PFS? No, but you can play this one.

I hadn't heard that before. Is that in the character creation section of the guide, or is that on the messageboards someplace?

I have a Kitsune character I just started whose human form is a child (even though the Kitsune herself isn't). Is that illegal?

Yes, it is, your Kitsune's human form must be a mature medium character, children are small, and you cannot use Alter Self to become a small human.

Why is the Iconic Kenesist a young human? Last I checked that wouldn't be PFS legal.

Because the Iconic is a young human. Sometimes the iconics get to break some rules. Just go with it.

The iconics look great!

Edit: They can level the iconic up and keep using it, as long as they get rid of the young part. They could just say the iconic picked up a couple of birthdays. Doesn't seem loke that big a deal to me.

I'll be picking up my copy at gencon but I'll be happy to peruse the pregens now ^_^. Now I get to hold my breath for the ACG errata.

Tyler Beck wrote:

Dylos wrote:

Why is the Iconic Kenesist a young human? Last I checked that wouldn't be PFS legal.

The iconic characters aren't really created with PFS in mind. I'm assuming whoever ordered the art for the kineticist imagined her as a young human and wrote the character's backstory with that in mind. Can one of us create a young character for PFS? No, but you can play this one.

Right, but it makes her the first iconic that cannot be used as an actual character and leveled up, since it's only legal to play her as a pregen.

Any other pregen, a player can decide they like the character and continue to use them by leveling them up, but this one cannot be leveled up since they would no longer be legal.

As Tyler notes, this is a case where we carefully considered the character's art and backstory against the rules of the organized play campaign. We decided in favor of presenting her as a young person by making her Small without tinkering with much else.

Is the mesmerist pregen evil? Cuz I read his backstory, and he seemed pretty evil.

(I'd download and look myself, but work won't upgrade past IE9.)

Right, but it makes her the first iconic that cannot be used as an actual character and leveled up, since it's only legal to play her as a pregen.

Simply change the character to Medium size and continue playing.

Is the mesmerist pregen evil? Cuz I read his backstory, and he seemed pretty evil.

(I'd download and look myself, but work won't upgrade past IE9.)

You're right that Meligaster would be evil. You'll note that on the pregenerated character sheet, we made a special entry that notes he would be evil but is instead neutral for the purposes of the organized play campaign. We weren't interested in introducing evil PCs—especially as one-shot characters that would play alongside non-evil PCs—in Pathfinder Society.

Tyler Beck wrote:

Dylos wrote:

Why is the Iconic Kenesist a young human? Last I checked that wouldn't be PFS legal.

The iconic characters aren't really created with PFS in mind. I'm assuming whoever ordered the art for the kineticist imagined her as a young human and wrote the character's backstory with that in mind. Can one of us create a young character for PFS? No, but you can play this one.

Right, but it makes her the first iconic that cannot be used as an actual character and leveled up, since it's only legal to play her as a pregen.

Any other pregen, a player can decide they like the character and continue to use them by leveling them up, but this one cannot be leveled up since they would no longer be legal.

Well you can still play an older yoon. :)

pH unbalanced wrote:

Tyler Beck wrote:

Can one of us create a young character for PFS? No, but you can play this one.

I hadn't heard that before. Is that in the character creation section of the guide, or is that on the messageboards someplace?

I have a Kitsune character I just started whose human form is a child (even though the Kitsune herself isn't). Is that illegal?

Yes, it is, your Kitsune's human form must be a mature medium character, children are small, and you cannot use Alter Self to become a small human.

*Some* children are small. Is size the only issue, because it was never my intention to be other than medium.

I don't want to clutter this thread with this question -- please just point me (even vaguely) towards the rule and I'll research and start another thread if I have questions.

Any updates to the other characters?

It has been mentioned that Erzen is a Pathfinder and should have a wayfinder. If any of the other pre-gens are Pathfinders they should probably also have a wayfinder. There was a discussion about this in a thread with spoilers.

Dylos wrote:

pH unbalanced wrote:

Tyler Beck wrote:

Can one of us create a young character for PFS? No, but you can play this one.

I hadn't heard that before. Is that in the character creation section of the guide, or is that on the messageboards someplace?

I have a Kitsune character I just started whose human form is a child (even though the Kitsune herself isn't). Is that illegal?

Yes, it is, your Kitsune's human form must be a mature medium character, children are small, and you cannot use Alter Self to become a small human.

*Some* children are small. Is size the only issue, because it was never my intention to be other than medium.

I don't want to clutter this thread with this question -- please just point me (even vaguely) towards the rule and I'll research and start another thread if I have questions.

See page 7 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, which discusses the minimum and maximum ages for PCs.

There's really only three... damned vigilantes are everywhere...

My Confirmation was the best! The Master of Spells got mad when I showed up the wizard with my awesome fire, and then he kept talking about how this was against the rules or something and he was only saying OK "under pro test". The Master of Blades couldn't stop laughing. He doesn't know how to make fire, but he is more fun than the Master of Spells. The Master of Scrolls is the best though because he doesn't treat me different than the other agents. I'm not sure if he can't tell I'm a kid, or if it's just that elves are really really old so we're all just kids to him.

Any updates to the other characters?

It has been mentioned that Erzen is a Pathfinder and should have a wayfinder. If any of the other pre-gens are Pathfinders they should probably also have a wayfinder. There was a discussion about this in a thread with spoilers.

We have not updated any other characters at this time. Our first priority was to get the Occult Adventures pregenerated characters in people's hands. After Gen Con we're hoping to have more development time to revisit the pregen-less iconics and review earlier ones.

Dylos wrote:

pH unbalanced wrote:

Tyler Beck wrote:

Can one of us create a young character for PFS? No, but you can play this one.

I hadn't heard that before. Is that in the character creation section of the guide, or is that on the messageboards someplace?

I have a Kitsune character I just started whose human form is a child (even though the Kitsune herself isn't). Is that illegal?

Yes, it is, your Kitsune's human form must be a mature medium character, children are small, and you cannot use Alter Self to become a small human.

*Some* children are small. Is size the only issue, because it was never my intention to be other than medium.

I don't want to clutter this thread with this question -- please just point me (even vaguely) towards the rule and I'll research and start another thread if I have questions.

Well, you have to be size medium, which is 4' to 8 ft, however without going into too much detail, a standard human is 4 ft. 7 in. - 6 ft. 1 in. as a female, 5 ft - 6 ft. 6 in. as a male, so your human form as a kitsune should be within these limits.

It is possible that a human female could be 4'7" and still be in her elementary years, though keep in mind that the minimum age for playable human characters is 16 (but you aren't human, you just have a human form). Personally, I was 6 feet in 7th or 8th grade, and 5 feet would have been an elementary age for me for certain. As long as you fall into the range of typical PC human height and weight, you should be fine, there are plenty of people who look younger then they actually are anyway, but you cannot gain any mechanical benefits from looking like a human child as a kitsune.

Erasmus appears to be getting Dex to damage with his starknife at level 1 at both melee and ranged. How is this possible?

I'm loving this preview for pyrokineticists!

Erasmus appears to be getting Dex to damage with his starknife at level 1 at both melee and ranged. How is this possible?

He's not; the Champion happens to give him an exact combination of bonuses that appear to be that.

Imbicatus wrote:

Erasmus appears to be getting Dex to damage with his starknife at level 1 at both melee and ranged. How is this possible?

He's not; the Champion happens to give him an exact combination of bonuses that appear to be that.

Cool, I'm loving the peeks into the classes.

Should the medium be doing 1d6+4 on his acid flasks (level 1 version)? It says "Non-spell damage rolls," which would seem to apply to splash weapons.

Typo spotted on the Spiritualist pregens: At all levels, Honaire's type is given as "outside" rather than "outsider".

BretI wrote:

Any updates to the other characters?

It has been mentioned that Erzen is a Pathfinder and should have a wayfinder. ...

We have not updated any other characters at this time. Our first priority was to get the Occult Adventures pregenerated characters in people's hands. After Gen Con we're hoping to have more development time to revisit the pregen-less iconics and review earlier ones.

Alright, sounds good.

Might want to give a wayfinder to Mavaro (the Occultist) at the same time. It mentions that he has joined the Pathfinder Society in his background.

John Compton wrote:

BretI wrote:

Any updates to the other characters?

It has been mentioned that Erzen is a Pathfinder and should have a wayfinder. ...

We have not updated any other characters at this time. Our first priority was to get the Occult Adventures pregenerated characters in people's hands. After Gen Con we're hoping to have more development time to revisit the pregen-less iconics and review earlier ones.

Alright, sounds good.

Might want to give a wayfinder to Mavaro (the Occultist) at the same time. It mentions that he has joined the Pathfinder Society in his background.

It's something he should probably pick up by his 4th-level, but he wouldn't be able to afford it as a starting character. I'll make sure that point is included in my pregenerated character design guidelines.

Typo spotted on the Spiritualist pregens: At all levels, Honaire's type is given as "outside" rather than "outsider".

No that is right, he is just really really into camping that it changed his fundamental nature. His favourite part is telling ghost stories around the fire.

Does this mean that we can expect Occult Adventures to beaded to Additional Resources soon?

Does this mean that we can expect Occult Adventures to beaded to Additional Resources soon?

Additional Resources update for GenCon 2015 should be up next Wednesday based on John's comments in the past week.

Does this mean that we can expect Occult Adventures to beaded to Additional Resources soon?

It should be showing up in a little over a week.

Looks like the Spiritualist's Phase Lurch ability is gone. Ah, well.

Just to verify, are the OA pregens legal as of today or do we need to wait until the 29th when Additional Resources is updated with Occult Adventures?

Hm, I overall love the new iconics, but I noticed a few oddities in my brief skim of them.

1) Meligaster's Disorientation says that it applies to attack and damage rolls. The book says it only applies to attack rolls. Perhaps the author of this pregen used the playtest document?

2) This may be either an error in OA or the pregen, but under Estra level 7, she receives Cure Serious Wounds as a 3rd level spell from Emotional Conduit. In OA, the 3rd level spell gained from the feat is cure light wounds. I assume this is more likely a mistake in the book itself.

3) For Yoon's Elemental Overflow, it does not mention that she gains an additional bonus to damage from Fire's Fury. Fire's Fury has its own entry on her sheet, but it doesn't clearly state that it stacks with the normal damage increase (Burnx2) from Elemental Overflow.

EDIT: Spiritualist's Phantom should have Phase Lurch listed as an ability.

EDIT: Spiritualist's Phantom should have Phase Lurch listed as an ability.

May I ask how it is limited (rds/day, min/day)?

Just to verify, are the OA pregens legal as of today or do we need to wait until the 29th when Additional Resources is updated with Occult Adventures?

You can use them now.

2) This may be either an error in OA or the pregen, but under Estra level 7, she receives Cure Serious Wounds as a 3rd level spell from Emotional Conduit. In OA, the 3rd level spell gained from the feat is cure light wounds. I assume this is more likely a mistake in the book itself.

Regarding this point in particular, I noticed this while reviewing the spiritualist pregenerated character and brought it to the design team. They confirmed that the 3rd-level bonus spell should be cure serious wounds, so I updated it on the character sheet to reflect that correction.

I rather like Estra's quote.

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EDIT: Spiritualist's Phantom should have Phase Lurch listed as an ability.

May I ask how it is limited (rds/day, min/day)?

Phase Lurch is not limited in that way; however the Etheric Tether ability establishes relevant limitations on how you can use it (i.e. being a certain distance from the Spiritualist and being outside of line of effect for Spiritual level rounds before being sent back to the Ethereal Plane.)

redward wrote:

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EDIT: Spiritualist's Phantom should have Phase Lurch listed as an ability.

May I ask how it is limited (rds/day, min/day)?

Phase Lurch is not limited in that way; however the Etheric Tether ability establishes relevant limitations on how you can use it (i.e. being a certain distance from the Spiritualist and being outside of line of effect for Spiritual level rounds before being sent back to the Ethereal Plane.)

Gotcha. Seems like a pretty reasonable way of reigning it in. Thanks!

Can we please have get a non-watermarked version of the pregens? I looks better, and I would prefer not to give my private Email to new players - that's what the official one is there for.

Can we please have get a non-watermarked version of the pregens? I looks better, and I would prefer not to give my private Email to new players - that's what the official one is there for.

Seconded

Wow, I completely missed that so many pregens were out! I only knew of the PFS version of Cleric, Fighter, Rogue, and Wizard and the Core pregens in the NPC Codex. Glad I saw this post! Here's to hoping the APG characters get back up soon and maybe getting a new NPC Codex....

It is a little unfortunate that Estra's statblock doesn't explain what Emotional Conduit does, especially since these pregens are available before OA. (For the record, it gives an additional spell known for each spell level based on the phantom's chosen emotional focus. These are included in her spells, but players may not immediately realize this.)