Pathfinder Battles: A Huge Announcement!

HUZZAH!

HUZZAH!

Thanks for the great preview, Mark!

Two questions:

1. What do you mean by the "Legendary Adventures preview pack" being alternative paint figures?
Are the same sculpts part of the regular "Legendary Adventures" set, only with different paintjobs?

2. Will "Legendary Adventures include a huge "Aboleth" mini?
If yes, i'll order two cases & 2 incentives.

Thanks again!

Dragon Turtle! Enough said.

The Goblin cCamp is looking good. The pickle barrel is a great touch.

Thanks for this massive preview!
Finally a village set!
Love the new orcs too.

I can sense my wallet cringing already!

I think it's pretty save to assume that there will be 6 large & 6 huge minis in the set (the next IotR set is the same).

Four of each will be uncommon and two rare.

I was going through all six Bestiaries yesterday and i noticed that almost all huge creatures which aren't super-obscure are in the first Bestiary (a few in Bestiary 2).

If i leave out dinos & dragons, huge minis which are strong candidates for this set are:

-Aboleth
-Bebilith
-Black Pudding
-Bulette
-Cauchemar
-Giant Flytrap
-Giant Slug
-Nalfeshnee
-Retriever
-Shoggoth
-Treant

Wow. I have no words. These look amazing!

I love the new designs and I'm so hyped to get that goblin village!

Dragon Turtle, nice!

The hobgoblin redesign is super nice. Makes them less like LotR orc/goblins and more like medium sized Paizo goblins. I hope their lore doesn't change tho.

The Ruins of Lastwall product page is now up.
The link for the case incentive leads to the same page though.

You are now able to start a Pathfinder Battles Case subscription with either the "Kingmaker" or "Ruins of Lastwall" set.

I like that the orc was updated after the sketch was previously shown, good job.

Love the chimera and fire giant.

-Dragon Turtle: While it is great to finally get a never before done mini of this CR 9 dragon, i am not a big fan of the tranlucent water in this case, as the creature has a land speed of 20 feet. Still, i am glad that we get this mini, as DnD 5e changed the size to gargantuan.

-Chimera: It's great that we finally get a chimera with a red dragon head, as the old D&D one (War of the Dragon Queen) has a black dragon head, the ones from "Heroes & Monsters" has a green dragon head and the one from "Wrath of the Righteous" has a white dragon head.

-Fire Giant: This third male fire giant after the ones from "Shattered Star" & "Lost Coast" will make for a good low level mook, even if i rather had a female one.

-Dwarf Sorcerer: The picture says Dwarf Wizard, but i suppose it could be one or the other. It has great details and i am glad it is a rare, as it looks pretty unique. The base looks like a small base to me, but as you wrote, dwarves are still medium.

I like all four renders and combined with the Village & the 8 other minis, this looks like a solid set of which i could see myself ordering not one, but two cases - depending on the other five huge uncommon minis.

What. Are. You. Doing. Paizo?!

We already have 2 different Chimeras from 2 previous sets.
We already have Fire Giants from 2 previous sets.
We have more goblins than we could ever need from several various sets.
And multiple Bugbears from Rusty Dragon Inn.

Please, if you want me to continue to be a case subscriber, give me diversity!

You still haven't made your advanced races.
Sylphs, Oreads, Ifreeti, Undine, Wayangs?
What about Aeons?

And I swear, if you announce 1 more troll, I am done.

And I swear, if you announce 1 more troll, I am done.

Successful Troll supports this initiative.

Looks like the dragon turtle figure has acupuncture needles.

nice incentive, great we finally get more huge minis.
but really, there would have been time for more goblins when the We be Goblins builder set had sold out.

We already have 2 different Chimeras from 2 previous sets.

We already have Fire Giants from 2 previous sets.
We have more goblins than we could ever need from several various sets.
And multiple Bugbears from Rusty Dragon Inn.

Agreed. I don't need any of these. The only "new" miniature shown is the dragon turtle.

Also enough with the decor incentives. I don't want. Please bring back Gargantuan minis.

And a preview pack that is just repaints? Boring. Why bother?

I'll probably still buy the set though, because I just can't help my collector OCD.

It would seem that Trolls and Minotaurs have a rich history of over-representation dating back all the way to the beginning of PPM. It is futile to resist! Their unions are strong.

I was not sure about the chimera, but Marco made a good observation that it is a new chromatic head. Now I kind of want one more to get a blue dragon head version.

Every mini set is someone's entry into miniatures, so I get the need to rotate in commonly used creatures. But every mini set is in addition to every set I've bought before, so I really need to see new things to stay interested.

I think the chimera is a good compromise. It's a returning creature with a twist. I still need to see creatures and class/race/gender combinations I haven't seen before and I need them to make up a hefty chunk of any set.

Every mini set is someone's entry into miniatures, so I get the need to rotate in commonly used creatures.

on the other hand...

just from a supply and demand point of view they could stay away from anything still available in their own shop without having beginners miss out and at the same time clear the shelf.

and just how long is a chimera going to be on the table? the ones I encountered didn’t last 10 rounds. for less than 10 rounds I don’t need the color of the figure match the one of the encounter.

This one does look much better than the H&M one, which means I could want it as a replacement. But then I have the H&M ones left over and de-valued for the secondary market because this one, and the WotR one, are covering the supply side.

Does anyone else think that the Fire Giants and Frost Giants are just too darn big to be classified as "Large-sized" anymore? Maybe they need to be given a size boost to "Huge" in the new edition? I mean, their slightly bigger than cobble stone double story buildings now!

Nice, I’m probably gonna need 2-3 sets of the goblin village! Minis are looking great, though I echo the sentiment that giants should be huge.

ICV2 had a good article showing off the minis in the preview pack. The little detail in the hobgoblin’s necklace and belt are very cool!

Since the Preview Pack has a price in line with the iconics, I imagine the alternate paint means more detail vs regular Battles paint.

What. Are. You. Doing. Paizo?!

We already have 2 different Chimeras from 2 previous sets.
We already have Fire Giants from 2 previous sets.
We have more goblins than we could ever need from several various sets.
And multiple Bugbears from Rusty Dragon Inn.

Please, if you want me to continue to be a case subscriber, give me diversity!

You still haven't made your advanced races.
Sylphs, Oreads, Ifreeti, Undine, Wayangs?
What about Aeons?

And I swear, if you announce 1 more troll, I am done.

Were this a normal set, i would 150% agree with you.

For me, it is okay if two new goblins are in this set (i suppose we also get an obese chieftain & maybe a female because of the incentive), but i get what you are saying - i have about 50 Pathfinder Goblins.

But alone for the six new huge minis and also for the first female orc in ppm, this set is already looking better than "Kingmaker" & "Ruins of Lastwall" for me.

I would probably be reacting like you if half of the 12 shown minis in the set were humans, the most overpresented race in ppm. ;-)

But going forward, Pathfinder Battles needs to tone down on doing old creatures again, i agree.
D&D is doing a great job on adapting every creature from 5e into ppm, they will probably be done in 2020 (excluding the gargantuan creatures).

I also wish, like many others, to get minis of the more obscure player races.
Do one uncommon male & female version of (for instance) Kitsune and another race per set and everyone will be happy.

And please no more than a handfull of humans. ;-p

I just took a count, and I have:

38 Dungeons & Dragons Miniatures goblins
69 Icons of the Realms goblins
111 Pathfinder Battles goblins

And, not once have I felt we have too many goblins. I will continue to scoop up several of each new sculpt, preparing for the goblin appocolypse I am sure must occur someday.

I guess this is a nostalgic obsession with my early days of role-playing where 100 goblins might pour out of a 10 x 10 room! Back then we used six sided dice as the goblins, with the number on top representing their hit points.

Ah yes, well do I remember the days when L 10 - 12 adventurers could meet 56 trolls in a certain fire giant dungeon encounter! :)

I'm very happy to see the sets go with a large/huge split. WizKids seemed to be experimenting in that direction in the Icons sets. Since budgets can be spread across the set and rarity this opens up a lot of possibilities. Obviously over hanging figures such as the Water Lord Huge Elemental doesn't fit in that method, but it allows less massive and simpler figures that wouldn't be as good a draw for incentives or special release sets.

Seeing repeats is less interesting, but at least they look different and hopefully isn't too much of a pattern. Plenty of gobs is going to be alright with me. I wonder if the hobgoblins have much of a change other than appearance. Paizo doubling down on their iconic goblin look is probably a good idea as they pull further away from 3.x DND. I wonder if bugbears would have been more interesting with oversized heads as well.

The goblin village is nice, but the play sets are starting to dominate. I would prefer to alternate. There are still plenty of awesome gargantuan creatures to feature.

Overall, I'm excited to see the new direction even if not everything is getting me full barrel yet.

I am very curious about the future of the PFB incentives.

The last three sets (Kingmaker, Jungle of Despair & Maze of Death) had HUGE minis as incentive(s).

The set before that (Crown of Fangs) had a combination of "Dungeon Dressings" & creature miniatures.
The set before that (Deadly Foes) also had two huge minis as incentive.
The set before that one (The Rusty Dragon Inn) was the first set ever to feature a "dungeon dressing" playset incentive.

June 2015's "Dungeons Deep" set was the last time that a PFB set featured a gargantuan creature.

Even D&D's "Icons of the Realms" sets jumped on the train with january 2017's Monster Menagerie 2's "Adventurers Camp" and they have been exclusively doing "playsets" since then, with the only half-exception being the "Kraken & Islands" incentive from the "Monster Menagerie 3" set.

The thing is: Dressing incentives seem to sell better than gargantuan creatures, which is not surprising when you consider that a single gargantuan creature will probably be used once or twice on the table and dressings are gonna see a lot of table time.

Personally i think that there are still a few gargantuan creatures that should be done as miniatures, but it only makes sense from a commercial standpoint if this creature is featured as a boss encounter in the adventure on which the miniatures set is being based.

D&D is seemingly doing that with the "Kraken" & "Falling Star sailing ship", as their next hardcover release will be a collection of older nautical adventures updated to 5e.

The description text of the PFB Ruins of Lastwall case product page reveals one more mini in the set:

From the devout Lastwall Paladin to the cunning Skeletal Samurai you will find no shortage of allies & enemies. But that’s not all! Be wary of the skies, adventurer, lest you be devoured by a Large Time Dragon!

How many palisade walls are part of the incentive?
Is it possible to build a circle with one set or do you need two?

I have two "Rusty Dragon bar" sets, which allow for a much nicer setup.

I think that this is an information which could lead to a few people ordering more sets than one. ;-)

How many palisade walls are part of the incentive?

Is it possible to build a circle with one set or do you need two?

I have two "Rusty Dragon bar" sets, which allow for a much nicer setup.

I think that this is an information which could lead to a few people ordering more sets than one. ;-)

I’d consider buying another set on top of the number of pallisades just for the tents, depending on the numbers.

Seeing the "Armored elf soldier" made me realize how bad i want a "vanilla classic" adventure path with dwarves & elves having troubles with each other before teaming up against a common enemy (with the pc's right in the middle).

How cool would it be if the first or second adventure path would take place in Kyonin & the Five Kings mountains and "Treerazer" would be the end boss?

Make it happen, Paizo!

When can we expect store pages for these?

I am betting that we will not see a miniature blog until after GenCon.

Love the look of the goblin village!

We may not get a blog, a picture of the box has leaked. I won’t say more than I really liked the huge that was pictured on the visible side! Hopefully GenCon will show us some more exciting pieces. With this set having a mix of huge and large minis, it’s tough to know how many huge minis we can expect. With the Dragon Turtle, the possible Aboleth and the one one the side of the box, we’re at least up to three.

This is set to ship from Paizo beginning on september 30th with the october products (which have an october 16th street date).
Wizkids still lists this as a september product, but may update tomorrow or next week.

It may be pushed back to an official october release...

Pathfinder Battles Preview Pack unboxing video

I am betting that we will not see a miniature blog until after GenCon.

You were right, Kevin.

Mark Moreland wrote:

"This set does not include dungeon dressing, a sacrifice at the altar of randomized Huges, but the next set should have them again.

Previews for this set begin next week."