Pathfinder Campaign Setting: The Inner Sea World Guide (PFRPG) Hardcover

This one will not obsolete the first printing; it'll expand on it. In some cases, material in the first printing might not appear in this new version, or might be less detailed... but my goal in preparing this book is to add and expand, not overwrite.

It will advance the timeline by a couple of years, but won't assume any of the modules or Adventure Paths have taken place. You'll still be able to use this book as your campaign book to start, say, Rise of the Runelords or Curse of the Crimson Throne.

Coolio. I want. Now. ^_^

This is fantastic news! I'm happy to rely on Paizo to "bring it" :D

Uh may be a bit of an odd question but I would imagine you would be dropping pathfinder chronicler from this book? (since it is in the main rule book now)

More space for new stuff! A whole new PrC maybe!

This one will not obsolete the first printing; it'll expand on it. In some cases, material in the first printing might not appear in this new version, or might be less detailed... but my goal in preparing this book is to add and expand, not overwrite.

Wait, does that mean people will still have to buy the Campaign Setting to get the full world info?

Any "rules" elements we want to keep from 3.5 that currently appear in the hardcover will end up in either the Advanced Player's Guide (in the case of general stuff that doesn't really belong in the campaign setting book) or in the revised campaign setting book (in the case of stuff like the "regional" feats, etc.)

Nice, sounds like a good way to go.

I'm very interested in the new CS and will definitely pick it up at some point, but probably will have to leave it for a little down the track rather than picking it up in September.

Having said that, is there any easy way to skip an item in a subscription (leaving a message in the customer support area or something like that), or will I need to cancel the subscription around that time and restart it again later? Money will be a bit tight at that time of year so I don't want to pick up the CS at that point since I have the older version, but I do want to keep getting the rest of the Chronicles line!

I'm very interested in the new CS and will definitely pick it up at some point, but probably will have to leave it for a little down the track rather than picking it up in September.

Having said that, is there any easy way to skip an item in a subscription (leaving a message in the customer support area or something like that), or will I need to cancel the subscription around that time and restart it again later? Money will be a bit tight at that time of year so I don't want to pick up the CS at that point since I have the older version, but I do want to keep getting the rest of the Chronicles line!

Got a friend who plans on buying it but is not a subscriber? Instead of canceling and resubscribing, just sell your physical copy to your friend when it comes out and keep the pdf for yourself.

I've recently moved to a different country and don't know anybody here yet who'd be interested unfortunately. I might do by the time this actually comes out, but just want to see how things stand for the current situation. :)

It's still in the Pathfinder Chronicles line; it's not in the main rulebook line despite the fact that it's a hardcover.

Ahh..

That said, I still hope you guys come up with something cool for the cover that distinguishes it from the other chronicles books.

The cover artwork for each of the chronicles books are fantastic in how they showcase their specific region/locale, but I see the cover of the upcoming Campaign Book as something more epic/grand in scope since it encompasses a much larger part of the game world.

ie: Varisians and Chelaxians should both recognize it as their world book. lol

Will it still have Prestige Classes like The Harrower? Or will that be in the APG?

Will it still have Prestige Classes like The Harrower? Or will that be in the APG?

At this point I'm thinking it'll have 4 prestige classes: the Harrower, the Red Mantis Assassin, the Hellknight (which is replacing the Pathfinder Chronicler, who moved to the core rules), and one more. Which may or may not be the Low Templar or the Lion Blade or something else.

Basically, I'm hoping to get the four most iconic Golarion prestige classes in there. I know what three are. Anyone want to nominate and support the fourth?

Sketchpad wrote:

Will it still have Prestige Classes like The Harrower? Or will that be in the APG?

At this point I'm thinking it'll have 4 prestige classes: the Harrower, the Red Mantis Assassin, the Hellknight (which is replacing the Pathfinder Chronicler, who moved to the core rules), and one more. Which may or may not be the Low Templar or the Lion Blade or something else.

Basically, I'm hoping to get the four most iconic Golarion prestige classes in there. I know what three are. Anyone want to nominate and support the fourth?

Well since they are coming up in the upcoming crystal skull adventure path how about shackles pirates?

It will advance the timeline by a couple of years, but won't assume any of the modules or Adventure Paths have taken place.

Will there be a "realms changing event" for Golarion, such as something like a "time of troubles" or "spellplague" of Forgotten Realms, or the "Greyhawk Wars" of Greyhawk?

Or will it be more like the what happened to Eberron from 3.5E to 4E?

The Paizo crew have stated several times that no RCE's are gonna happen in the Revised CS. Perhaps a slight bump of the timeline, but it's likely to be closer to Eberron 3-4 changes.

the Lion Blade

Which book is this in?

James Jacobs wrote:

the Lion Blade

Which book is this in?

It's in the Taldor Companion.

Please no 'GSE's. (Golarion Shaking Events)=)

Basically, I'm hoping to get the four most iconic Golarion prestige classes in there. I know what three are. Anyone want to nominate and support the fourth?

Balanced Scale, please.

Setting Specific, awesome powers, not too tied down geographically. Showcases one of the cooler theological tropes of Golarion (the first vault). People flipping to look at the PrCs first will have a sense of just how well-conceived Golarion's deities are. That's not on display with the current lineup, unless you count the Red Mantis (but shhh.)

I hate PrCs on principle and I love this one.

Will there be another poster map in this update?

(maybe with Region instead of "Reigon") :P

Quoth the blurb: "A beautiful poster map reveals the lands of the Inner Sea in all their treacherous glory."

I can't imagine they wouldn't fix the typo. I fixed my own map with a razor and some tape.

Anyone want to nominate and support the fourth?

Iconic Groupie, with varying powers based on which iconic for which they're a groupie. They're sorta like PC henchmen...

I can't remember the exact powers for all of them, but I do remember that the Lini groupie gets the "Kitty Does Not Think You Are Food" special ability to help protect them.

Quoth the blurb: "A beautiful poster map reveals the lands of the Inner Sea in all their treacherous glory."

Reading for comprehension... heh

Thanks

James Jacobs wrote:

Sketchpad wrote:

Will it still have Prestige Classes like The Harrower? Or will that be in the APG?

At this point I'm thinking it'll have 4 prestige classes: the Harrower, the Red Mantis Assassin, the Hellknight (which is replacing the Pathfinder Chronicler, who moved to the core rules), and one more. Which may or may not be the Low Templar or the Lion Blade or something else.

Basically, I'm hoping to get the four most iconic Golarion prestige classes in there. I know what three are. Anyone want to nominate and support the fourth?

Well since they are coming up in the upcoming crystal skull adventure path how about shackles pirates?

The Shackles Pirate is not gonna stay in the book, alas. Or if it does, it is going to be very changed. The problem with the shackles pirate prestige class is that not only is it all but useless except for a nautical themed game (which, despite the first adventure, is NOT the case for Serpent's Skull... the majority of that adventure takes place on land far from sea), but even worse, a lot of their abilities require a specific PART of the ocean to work. They're not very versatile, is what I'm getting at. The prestige classes in the core campaign setting need to be able to function in any adventure as a competent PC OR NPC class; the hellknight, harrower, and red mantis assassin do both. Whatever ends up in the fourth spot in the book should as well.

James Jacobs wrote:

It will advance the timeline by a couple of years, but won't assume any of the modules or Adventure Paths have taken place.

Will there be a "realms changing event" for Golarion, such as something like a "time of troubles" or "spellplague" of Forgotten Realms, or the "Greyhawk Wars" of Greyhawk?

Or will it be more like the what happened to Eberron from 3.5E to 4E?

Nope. We're not fans of breaking campaigns or fundamentally changing so much that all the hard work we've put in over the last few years is for nothing. No Golarion Changing Event is on schedule.

Will there be another poster map in this update?

(maybe with Region instead of "Reigon") :P

To be honest... fixing that hideous typo is priority #1. We came VERY CLOSE to canceling the book's initial release and missing a Gen Con launch to reprint the posters and replace them all in the entire print run... but that would have cost so much AND would have made us miss Gen Con that we had to basically just swallow our pride and release the book with a super embarrassing typo. Not my proudest moment, I can tell you that.

To be honest... fixing that hideous typo is priority #1. We came VERY CLOSE to canceling the book's initial release and missing a Gen Con launch to reprint the posters and replace them all in the entire print run... but that would have cost so much AND would have made us miss Gen Con that we had to basically just swallow our pride and release the book with a super embarrassing typo. Not my proudest moment, I can tell you that.

I can only imagine how much of your soul died screaming that moment when you opened the poster map and read "Inner Sea Reigon".

To be honest... fixing that hideous typo is priority #1. We came VERY CLOSE to canceling the book's initial release and missing a Gen Con launch to reprint the posters and replace them all in the entire print run... but that would have cost so much AND would have made us miss Gen Con that we had to basically just swallow our pride and release the book with a super embarrassing typo. Not my proudest moment, I can tell you that.

While embarrassing, it didn't 'ruin' the product, the map was still very good bit of cartography and incredibly useful, still is. To be honest my dyslexic self never noticed. :)

James Jacobs wrote:

To be honest... fixing that hideous typo is priority #1. We came VERY CLOSE to canceling the book's initial release and missing a Gen Con launch to reprint the posters and replace them all in the entire print run... but that would have cost so much AND would have made us miss Gen Con that we had to basically just swallow our pride and release the book with a super embarrassing typo. Not my proudest moment, I can tell you that.

I can only imagine how much of your soul died screaming that moment when you opened the poster map and read "Inner Sea Reigon".

At least one copy of one Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting was hurled across at least one room by at least one employee. And that reaction didn't improve when we realized that many of the map tags and borders had shifted at some point and no one had, for example, noticed that some port cities were now landlocked while some other port cities were underwater.

AKA: I've been waiting to reprint this book for nearly 2 years.

BryonD wrote:

Will there be another poster map in this update?

(maybe with Region instead of "Reigon") :P

To be honest... fixing that hideous typo is priority #1. We came VERY CLOSE to canceling the book's initial release and missing a Gen Con launch to reprint the posters and replace them all in the entire print run... but that would have cost so much AND would have made us miss Gen Con that we had to basically just swallow our pride and release the book with a super embarrassing typo. Not my proudest moment, I can tell you that.

Our group simply decided that Taldane sounds exactly like English in every way, except for one word. :)

The Shackles Pirate is not gonna stay in the book, alas. Or if it does, it is going to be very changed. The problem with the shackles pirate prestige class is that not only is it all but useless except for a nautical themed game (which, despite the first adventure, is NOT the case for Serpent's Skull... the majority of that adventure takes place on land far from sea), but even worse, a lot of their abilities require a specific PART of the ocean to work. They're not very versatile, is what I'm getting at. The prestige classes in the core campaign setting need to be able to function in any adventure as a competent PC OR NPC class; the hellknight, harrower, and red mantis assassin do both. Whatever ends up in the fourth spot in the book should as well.

Hmm something not been done before then (Although off the top of my head nothing immediately comes to mind.)

I'd like to see a list of all the Spawn of Rogavag and where to find their stats. I have many campaign ideas involving them.

aaaawww man. You guys suck. I'm running out of bookshelf room :-).

Can't wait for the update. I really look forward to the new release.

I'd like to see a list of all the Spawn of Rogavag and where to find their stats. I have many campaign ideas involving them.

Have you considered looking for them on PathfinderWiki?

David Fryer wrote:

I'd like to see a list of all the Spawn of Rogavag and where to find their stats. I have many campaign ideas involving them.

Have you considered looking for them on PathfinderWiki?

** spoiler omitted **

I always forget about Pathfinder Wiki. To many yelling kids distracting me from what really matters. :)

** spoiler omitted **

I always forget about Pathfinder Wiki.

Shhhh! Are you trying to make Mark go postal?!

I'd like to see a list of all the Spawn of Rogavag and where to find their stats. I have many campaign ideas involving them.

We did a multi-page article about them in Pathfinder #24, so that'd be a good place to start! :)

David Fryer wrote:

I'd like to see a list of all the Spawn of Rogavag and where to find their stats. I have many campaign ideas involving them.

We did a multi-page article about them in Pathfinder #24, so that'd be a good place to start! :)

Thanks for the tip.

delabarre wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

To be honest... fixing that hideous typo is priority #1. We came VERY CLOSE to canceling the book's initial release and missing a Gen Con launch to reprint the posters and replace them all in the entire print run... but that would have cost so much AND would have made us miss Gen Con that we had to basically just swallow our pride and release the book with a super embarrassing typo. Not my proudest moment, I can tell you that.

I can only imagine how much of your soul died screaming that moment when you opened the poster map and read "Inner Sea Reigon".

At least one copy of one Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting was hurled across at least one room by at least one employee. And that reaction didn't improve when we realized that many of the map tags and borders had shifted at some point and no one had, for example, noticed that some port cities were now landlocked while some other port cities were underwater.

AKA: I've been waiting to reprint this book for nearly 2 years.

Yikes!

James - I feel your pain! Looking forward to the new book with a new map.

I brought this up on another thread and James seemed to be on board, but it is important enough to me that I think it should be repeated: Please add a smaller version of the Golarion map in this book. Two page spread would be good, but any way that you can fit it in, other than a poster map, would be great.

There's a 4-panel version available in the Gazetteer, and it's more accurate regarding the placement of towns. Maybe that is something you might want to look at.

There's a 4-panel version available in the Gazetteer, and it's more accurate regarding the placement of towns. Maybe that is something you might want to look at.

Thanks for the tip Zaister. A four panel version would certainly be better, but I hope to get something completely contained within the book. I frequently read in places where it's really not convenient to pop out a map, like the bus, in bed, on a plane.... on the toilet..

There is going to be a half page map of the entire world in the book, according to a post by James. It'll be tiny in comparison, but could give you something to reference during those not so convenient moments.

I brought this up on another thread and James seemed to be on board, but it is important enough to me that I think it should be repeated: Please add a smaller version of the Golarion map in this book. Two page spread would be good, but any way that you can fit it in, other than a poster map, would be great.

There's gonna be a reproduction of the inner sea region on page 7 of the book. And every nation/region will get its own larger scale map in addition. There's gonna be a LOT o'maps in there.

I'm hoping Shoanti can make an appearance in this book. I was surprised they didn't show up in the original setting book.

I'm hoping Shoanti can make an appearance in this book. I was surprised they didn't show up in the original setting book.

They'll be in there for sure!

There's gonna be a reproduction of the inner sea region on page 7 of the book. And every nation/region will get its own larger scale map in addition. There's gonna be a LOT o'maps in there.

Now THAT is what I wanted to hear, er, read. The lack of regional maps in the first edition was striking.

The Shackles Pirate is not gonna stay in the book, alas. Or if it does, it is going to be very changed. The problem with the shackles pirate prestige class is that not only is it all but useless except for a nautical themed game (which, despite the first adventure, is NOT the case for Serpent's Skull... the majority of that adventure takes place on land far from sea), but even worse, a lot of their abilities require a specific PART of the ocean to work. They're not very versatile, is what I'm getting at. The prestige classes in the core campaign setting need to be able to function in any adventure as a competent PC OR NPC class; the hellknight, harrower, and red mantis assassin do both. Whatever ends up in the fourth spot in the book should as well.

I want to chip in and agree with this. I want "a" Shackles Pirate prestige class, or maybe a more general bluewater pirate (Arcadian Ocean, in other words - Shackles to Ilizmagorti to Riddleport to Linnorm Kings) pirate class. But I'm running a pirate-based game right now and no one wants to touch that thing even now. Most of the abilities aren't even really nautical per se but about the Sodden Lands/marshes (sodden stealth, bogstep). It seems that most of the Shackles per se (except Drenchport) aren't even in the permanent rain raidus of the Eye, and though I'm sure they prey on the Sodden Lands some that area's all jacked up enough that they probably have to range outside the storm radius just to get decent prey.

Anyway, you could do a good pirate class without having it be super dependent on purely nautical stuff...

And yeah, the Low Templar was just totally random/lame, no one will weep at their absence. 'You know that place no one ever goes to? You could go play a sidekick of one of the cool guys that are there.'

"Only four" good p-classes are hard because they are all so geographically limited. Pathfinders are everywhere, but even Hellknights are pretty geolimited. Harrowers are mostly Varisian. Stuff like Korvosan Guards/Sable Company would be more so.

I guess really the "international organizations" (eagle knights, aspis, hellknights, red mantis, pathfinder) are likely sources for a limited list. (For an unlimited list, a p-class per major country, AP site, and religion would be nice as a dedicated supplement!) The Eagle Knights could be a spruced up Liberator (or three variants for the golden legion/steel falcons/twilight talons). And under Aspis you could fit the pirates as well; I suspect there's little difference between many Aspis, pirate, and even Grey Corsair operations.

I don't think my question got answered: will it be necessary to get the Campaign Setting to have all the world info?

And yeah, the Low Templar was just totally random/lame, no one will weep at their absence.

-1.

Not my feelings on the Low Templar at all.

But I have the original PCCS so I don't mind if it gets dropped.