Rage of Elements, Kinethicist and Immobilized condition


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The immobilized condition states that :
"You are incapable of movement. You can't use any actions that have the move trait. If you're immobilized by something holding you in place and an external force would move you out of your space, the force must succeed at a check against either the DC of the effect holding you in place or the relevant defense (usually Fortitude DC) of the monster holding you in place."

What I understand is that a Kinethicist who's immobilized can't use this impulse : https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=4211
Since it has the move trait.

However, there's an impulse who's working a bit like the previous one in the Fire Gate's feats and who doesn't have the move trait, while it's in fact technically a movement : https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=4236

Question is : Does Burning Jet allows a fire kinethicist to use their class check to get out of this condition ?


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Fire Jet doesn't have the Move trait itself, but what it does is allow you to Stride. Stride does have the Move trait, and per the Subordinate Actions rules:

"An action might allow you to use a simpler action—usually one of the Basic Actions on page 416—in a different circumstance or with different effects. This subordinate action still has its normal traits and effects, but it's modified in any ways listed in the larger action. For example, an activity that tells you to Stride up to half your Speed alters the normal distance you can move in a Stride. The Stride would still have the move trait, would still trigger reactions that occur based on movement, and so on. The subordinate action doesn't gain any of the traits of the larger action unless specified"

Therefore, you can't use Burning Jet while immobilised. Or rather, you can, but when it comes time to Stride you would be unable to, making it a wasted action.

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