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https://www.polygon.com/tabletop-games/23979417/paizo-howl-of-the-wild-prev iew-werewolf-swarmkeeper

Super excited about Wild Mimic archetype!


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I'm gonna be all over that swarmkeeper. I really hope this is an indication that swarms will be viable animal companion picks.


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John R. wrote:

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Super excited about Wild Mimic archetype!

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I admit, swarmkeeper makes me at least somewhat hopeful.

It's an archetype, so I suspect the impact will be somewhat limited... but it's a step in the right direction to getting us our Horde and Swarm eidolons, right?

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Kelseus wrote:
John R. wrote:

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Super excited about Wild Mimic archetype!

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Thank you! Was not at the best setup to link it myself.


Wild Mimic is just begging to get added onto a Monk, but probably works great with a lot of martials, so I'm going to have to try that out sometime.


I wonder if the werecreature ancestry is a replacement for the beastkin versatile heritage.


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I'm not clear if werecreature is an ancestry or an archetype? the preview calls it an archetype and then right after that it's a double-length ancestry

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Neat.

Wild Mimic looks very cool.


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I think the wording is off, but I think the werecreature is an archetype with a page count that is "double that of an ancestry"

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Karneios wrote:
I'm not clear if werecreature is an ancestry or an archetype? the preview calls it an archetype and then right after that it's a double-length ancestry

They're saying that the page count for it is twice what is normally provided, likely so that it can handle a variety of different Werecreature types, from what I gather, it's almost like an Archetype that itself has sub-Archetype choices you can/must make regarding how it presents in you.


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Here's hoping it's not as underwhelming as the undead archetypes


And remastered Beatkin heritage(this book is thematical)


Neat!


Karneios wrote:
I'm not clear if werecreature is an ancestry or an archetype? the preview calls it an archetype and then right after that it's a double-length ancestry

It could be that it's done like the undead 'ancestries' like ghost or ghoul: instead of a 'you died' requirement in the undead archetypes, you might have a 'bitten by a lycanthrope' one.


What could the last Archetype be!?


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ElementalofCuteness wrote:
What could the last Archetype be!?

- Wild Mimic: "The Wild Mimic is a take on the classic Tarzan or, for video game fans, Street Fighter’s Blanca. They have access to skills involving trampling, rending, and pouncing, but also generating electricity, regenerating limbs, and making shockingly loud vocalizations."

- Swarmkeeper: "Keeps a swarm of symbiotic insects on their person."

- Werecreatures: Probably like the undead archetypes from the Book of the Dead.


Combining animal instinct barbarian with the werecreature archetype sounds pretty good to me. Also I hope the new animal instinct, if they keep it, has all the base animals that the werecreature archetype has


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WWHsmackdown wrote:
Combining animal instinct barbarian with the werecreature archetype sounds pretty good to me. Also I hope the new animal instinct, if they keep it, has all the base animals that the werecreature archetype has

That's something I'm hoping for, some option, spell, feat, or item that lets you expand the number of selectable animals for stuff like the animal instinct or animal transformation spells.

Those and expanded options for animal companions that let us get weirder animals and monsters are my big hopes.


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WWHsmackdown wrote:
Combining animal instinct barbarian with the werecreature archetype sounds pretty good to me. Also I hope the new animal instinct, if they keep it, has all the base animals that the werecreature archetype has

Ehh... one of the things I find a bit disappointing about PF2 is how thematic picks tend not to stack well. Is what it is, though, and we'll see.


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Sanityfaerie wrote:
Ehh... one of the things I find a bit disappointing about PF2 is how thematic picks tend not to stack well. Is what it is, though, and we'll see.

I would argue that is good design, it means individual thematic features stand out and don't become an arms race. Multiple routes to a theme rather than a character building search for everything that boosts said theme.

Hyper specialisation through stacking synergistic abilities is a part of what made PF1e such a mess balance wise and made many combats boring and formulaic for the most part.

And if they adjusted the balance for each component to be weaker so it doesn't result in a power glut for hyper specialists, then it becomes a noob trap and feat tax (something I hope to see lessened in the new alchemist).


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Sanityfaerie wrote:
WWHsmackdown wrote:
Combining animal instinct barbarian with the werecreature archetype sounds pretty good to me. Also I hope the new animal instinct, if they keep it, has all the base animals that the werecreature archetype has
Ehh... one of the things I find a bit disappointing about PF2 is how thematic picks tend not to stack well. Is what it is, though, and we'll see.

I'm ok if things don't stack, I just hope the werecreature archetype will let me do some *different* actions that are still on brand for my instinct animal


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The Gleeful Grognard wrote:

I would argue that is good design, it means individual thematic features stand out and don't become an arms race. Multiple routes to a theme rather than a character building search for everything that boosts said theme.

Hyper specialisation through stacking synergistic abilities is a part of what made PF1e such a mess balance wise and made many combats boring and formulaic for the most part.

And if they adjusted the balance for each component to be weaker so it doesn't result in a power glut for hyper specialists, then it becomes a noob trap and feat tax (something I hope to see lessened in the new alchemist).

Oh, it's really clear to me why they did it that way, and I'm not saying they were wrong to do so. It's just that assembling synergies felt so satisfying.

Eh, it's like I said. It is what it is.

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I tell you what, I've been WAITING for something like the Wild Mimic for a character concept I like to call "The Gorilla Prince," a Pitborn Nephilim from Usaro who has rebelled against the dark legacy of Angazhan within him, striving to become a true hero of the Mwangi Expanse!


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As someone who was commenting about how werebeasts should be done like the undead archetypes, I am so hype for this. Also my player who was doing the 'pocket full of bees' as a goblin druid long before the swarmkeeper will be absolutely delighted by that art.


Love the Thrunosaurus.

Wow. A very furry wolf man in plate armour. I hope it is an interesting story.


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It is indeed a mistake, playable werecreatures are an archetype, not an ancestry.


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gesalt wrote:
Here's hoping it's not as underwhelming as the undead archetypes

Yeah, I really hope that too. Thankfully it is inherently more practical in any case. Not being obviously "kill on sight" for the vast majority of people and not having to deal with negative healing helps a lot.

My biggest worry is that the dedication will have a bunch of useless unarmed attacks that never get better or require an excessive price to "upgrade". Again. Experience has taught me to expect the usual d4 agile/finesse claws and d6 non-finesse jaws. But hey, let's hope it's not that!


Karmagator wrote:
gesalt wrote:
Here's hoping it's not as underwhelming as the undead archetypes

Yeah, I really hope that too. Thankfully it is inherently more practical in any case. Not being obviously "kill on sight" for the vast majority of people and not having to deal with negative healing helps a lot.

My biggest worry is that the dedication will have a bunch of useless unarmed attacks that never get better or require an excessive price to "upgrade". Again. Experience has taught me to expect the usual d4 agile/finesse claws and d6 non-finesse jaws. But hey, let's hope it's not that!

Hopefully it gets Monk's/MArtist powerful fist.

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Sanityfaerie wrote:

I admit, swarmkeeper makes me at least somewhat hopeful.

It's an archetype, so I suspect the impact will be somewhat limited... but it's a step in the right direction to getting us our Horde and Swarm eidolons, right?

I am still holding hope for a swarm ancestry. Preferably a swarm of coins.


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