# Crafting Time

### Rules Questions

Hey guys!!

Ok I have an NPC that doesnt need to sleep. They are a crafter looking at repairing homes and building an INN. Now normally the working day is 8 hours long. Now hear is my question because i am math dumb... If a building takes 16 days to build and you work 8 hours a day, how long would it take if he worked 24/7 at a steady pace uninterrupted? He also has the Endurance Feat lol

Normally a character can only remain active for so long before they become fatigued and latter exhausted. The rules for movement state a character can walk for up to 8 hours before having to make CON checks to avoid fatigue. After he becomes fatigued the next failed check causes the character to become exhausted. I would say that building is at least as strenuous as walking so would have the same limit. Endurance just gives you a +4 bonus to the CON roll but does not eliminate the need to make the roll.

Not needing to sleep will not do anything to prevent you from becoming fatigued or exhausted. You will need to make rolls for every hour past 8 you work. It takes 1 hour of complete rest to go from exhausted to fatigued, and 8 hours of complete rest to go from fatigued to normal.

I dont think the RAW has any overtime working rule for craft, but i guess even if you dont have to sleep, you still get tired for working too much. Perhaps refer to the forced march to make constitution check every hour, and decide what to do if you fail the check.

Does it help that said character was an android/ awakened contruct?

That does make a difference. Neither of those are subject to fatigue or exhaustion.

Since there are 24 hours in a day and crafting is based on an 8-hour workday you simply divided the time by 3. 24/8 = 3, that means you have 3 8-hour shifts per day. This is not so much a rules question but basic math.

From a RAW perspective it is 8hrs per day.
There are DC adjustments and Feats as well as Familiar archetype and a few rules(like cooperative crafting) to increase productivity/progress.
Otherwise it is just a flat control (Game Balance issue) on crafting rates.
Players have been trying to get around an 8 hr workday for years to no avail.
GMs tend to waive their magical GM Caveat wand when it comes to NPCs but if PCs are watching, like Schrodinger's cat, the GM magic won't happen.
There IS one legal way, a pocket dimension with the accelerated time attribute so things can happen faster in that little corner of the multiverse compared to the Prime. Ofcourse at that point you could just cast Fabricate...

Azothath wrote:

From a RAW perspective it is 8hrs per day.

There are DC adjustments and Feats as well as Familiar archetype and a few rules(like cooperative crafting) to increase productivity/progress.
Otherwise it is just a flat control (Game Balance issue) on crafting rates.
Players have been trying to get around an 8 hr workday for years to no avail.
GMs tend to waive their magical GM Caveat wand when it comes to NPCs but if PCs are watching, like Schrodinger's cat, the GM magic won't happen.
There IS one legal way, a pocket dimension with the accelerated time attribute so things can happen faster in that little corner of the multiverse compared to the Prime. Ofcourse at that point you could just cast Fabricate...

not that high enough level lol. this is an NPC (srry for not mentioning this) this is for the PCs to start a guild and they gave this dude a purpose so now he wont stop working lol

5 days and 8 hours.

There are also some rules that might help you build that inn.
1BP is around 4,000 gp so a total cost of 40,000 gp, which is a little absurd.

Inn 10 BP, 1 Lot
Kingdom Economy +1, Loyalty +1

Special Base value +500 gp

Settlement Society +1

A place for visitors to rest.

The thing stopping a normal character from working without stopping is the fatigue and exhaustion rules. Normally those would make it impossible to work much longer than 8 hours. In this case the character has a racial ability that allows him to ignore those conditions. That ability is part of the rules so not factoring in that is actually breaking RAW.

This is no different than having 3 separate characters work on the same object. There is nothing in the rules that prevent that, so imposing an 8-hour limit on a character who is immune to fatigue and exhaustion should not be done.

Perhaps another point that also doesn't interact with the rules about fatigue, sleep deprivation, etc. is that building an inn simply requires more than one person to get it done correctly. How do you get big frame beams into place to have a second floor if your one character/construct isn't strong enough to lift and leverage a massive beam into place?

While I know carry weight and strength scaling can get a bit absurd, lets just say the density of wood in your local area is 40lb/ft3 (oak is 37-56lb/ft3 for reference). To have an outer frame beam that is only 2 feet thick, 2 feet tall, and 20 feet long, you need to be able to lift 3,200lbs. Now that is also not just lifting that weight, that is free hand carrying it up somehow to the height of a second or even third floor, and likely leveraging it into place (meaning you are somehow able to handle the torque of carrying those 3,200lbs from one end of the beam, not the center).

I mention this because how certain are you that those 16 days are just for one person building this inn?

If it is able to be built by one person or this is extrapolating down, given that it only takes 8 hours of rest (which can be or not be sleep) to reduce fatigue down to nothing, you can essentially get an extra half day by not needing to sleep: 8 hours working, 8 hours resting for fatigue, repeat twice, in two days time you have worked 3 8 hour shifts, effectively +50% working speed.

As to the resting from fatigue the character building the Inn is immune to both fatigue and exhaustion. That means does not need to rest and can work continually.

You bring up a good point about needing more than one person. If the character is an awakened golem, it might have the STR needed to lift the large beams and other heavy parts. If it is an android, it probably does not have the STR needed to build the Inn by itself.

time to visit the local church and post a 'barn raising' notice.