Ok i know that reincarnated create you a new body and once it Finnish you reincarnated to a new race and maintain your class
But in your opinion since the spell create a new body out of nothing do the spell make you to:
1 maintain your bloodline
2 change your bloodline
3 don't gain bloodline since it's a body whit no ancestry.
Bloodline is a class ability so it would be maintained.
Yeah it's a class ability but you must have an ancestor that give you the ability to apply the bloodline like dragon, fey or demon, so my point is if you create a new body what happens to the ancestry do the spell transfer your ancestry of your old body to the new one, do it's change or do you losses all?
With a group that leans into story and rp a bit more than pure mechanics this could be a fun arc to explore for the reincarnated sorcerer. As a GM I'd make it voluntary and work with the player to find a suitable new bloodline. Since this usually requires retraining maybe some sort of quest or personal trial will be needed to fully utilize the new powers.
With a group that leans into story and rp a bit more than pure mechanics this could be a fun arc to explore for the reincarnated sorcerer. As a GM I'd make it voluntary and work with the player to find a suitable new bloodline. Since this usually requires retraining maybe some sort of quest or personal trial will be needed to fully utilize the new powers.
Of course that a good point but in not only limit to the sorcerer's it's also affect all creature that poses the eldritch heritage feat
Yeah it's a class ability but you must have an ancestor that give you the ability to apply the bloodline like dragon, fey or demon, so my point is if you create a new body what happens to the ancestry do the spell transfer your ancestry of your old body to the new one, do it's change or do you losses all?
Ancestry doesn't matter in PF1, that's purely a fluff bit. Bloodline is a class ability, you keep it after reincarnation.
Actually, you don’t actually have to be descendant from a creature to have its bloodline. I believe a couple of the bloodlines suggest that exposure to certain things can cause someone to become a sorcerer of that bloodline without the character having any ancestor of the bloodline. The example given in the core rule book was a grandfather signing a contract with a devil.
Yeah it's a class ability but you must have an ancestor that give you the ability to apply the bloodline like dragon, fey or demon, so my point is if you create a new body what happens to the ancestry do the spell transfer your ancestry of your old body to the new one, do it's change or do you losses all?Ancestry doesn't matter in PF1, that's purely a fluff bit. Bloodline is a class ability, you keep it after reincarnation.
I think you don't understand the question; i know how the spell work and all that stuff, what I'm asking is in your opinion and using modern science terms, do your DNA (bloodline) go to your new body, change in your body or is eliminated in your new body
If bloodline depended on DNA (which it does not) a sorcerer who’s DNA changed would lose all class levels and no longer be a sorcerer. All of a sorcerer’s power including the ability to cast spells is because they were born that way. The bloodline is just the most obvious manifestation of that.
Furthermore, a reincarnated character is still the same character even if they are of a different race. When a character is reincarnated, they keep the same base physical stats and all mental stats. What they changes is the racial adjustments to those stats. A human with a18 STR before racial adjustment reincarnated into an elf still keeps the 18 STR. If he had the 18 STR due to the human's racial adjustment the elf would have a 16 STR. The reincarnated character would end up with the same relative STR as he had no matter what race he changed into. At least parts of your physical stats are determined by your DNA. If those are unchanged why would a bloodline be any different.
If bloodline depended on DNA (which it does not) a sorcerer who’s DNA changed would lose all class levels and no longer be a sorcerer. All of a sorcerer’s power including the ability to cast spells is because they were born that way. The bloodline is just the most obvious manifestation of that.
Furthermore, a reincarnated character is still the same character even if they are of a different race. When a character is reincarnated, they keep the same base physical stats and all mental stats. What they changes is the racial adjustments to those stats. A human with a18 STR before racial adjustment reincarnated into an elf still keeps the 18 STR. If he had the 18 STR due to the human's racial adjustment the elf would have a 16 STR. The reincarnated character would end up with the same relative STR as he had no matter what race he changed into. At least parts of your physical stats are determined by your DNA. If those are unchanged why would a bloodline be any different.
Yes I know it's not the rules I'm trying to get it's an analysis of what will happen to the bloodline if you reincarnated, additional when you read the bloodline it express
Bloodline: Each sorcerer has a source of magic somewhere in her heritage that grants her spells, bonus feats, an additional class skill, and other special abilities. This source can represent a blood relation or an extreme event involving a creature somewhere in the family’s past. For example, a sorcerer might have a dragon as a distant relative or her grandfather might have signed a terrible contract with a devil.Ok based in this some come from intervention like devil, god, celestial but there are some that came from heritage like dragon, if you take the dragon bloodline and later you reincarnated do you losses or not, if all your family where spellcaster and you gain arcana, do the bloodline pass to your new body. I not asking by rules but something to analyze
Nothing happens to your bloodline it remains the same as it was before. Your bloodline is tied to your identity to such an extent that you cannot change it without changing who you are. The only way you can change your bloodline is by changing who you are. A sorcerer retraining their bloodline is changing who they are in a fundamental way. Some very powerful magic can do the same thing, but reincarnate does not do that.
Reincarnate bring back essentially the same character. A sorcerer whose bloodline is changed is not really the same character. They have changed in a fundamental way that is beyond the scope of the spell. I could see being reincarnated might cause some sorcerers to question their identity. That might lead that sorcerer to alter his identity and eventually change his identity using the retraining rules. But that is going to be rare and is just as likely to happen from other forms of being raised from the dead.
What I am saying is not just because of the rules; it is because what you are saying should not happen. If a player wants to role play dying and coming back a different race causing him to change his identity (bloodline), that is fine, and the character should use the retraining rules to accomplish this. In all other circumstances resurrection should not have any effect on a character's bloodline.
If you want that then...
Your new body would inherit the same or similar enough ancestry that gave you the bloodline that the old body had, so there would be no change in the bloodline of the new body
Yeah but I see the bloodline like something that come whit the body no whit you mental think or your soul so when you reincarnate your bloodline change or looses an he must find a way to regain his power or adapt and retrain to start her new life in his new body
If you are the GM and that is the way you want to run sorcerers that is fine for your game. That is not how they are presented in the game. Sorcerers are a CHA based character so their power comes from their personality not their body. If they were a CON based caster I could see that, but not for a CHA based caster.
From the other post it seems like most people do not see sorcerers the same way you do.
If you are the GM and that is the way you want to run sorcerers that is fine for your game. That is not how they are presented in the game. Sorcerers are a CHA based character so their power comes from their personality not their body. If they were a CON based caster I could see that, but not for a CHA based caster.
From the other post it seems like most people do not see sorcerers the same way you do.
You are wrong force of personality have nothing to do with the heritage. If so then please explain me do the force of personality give the dragon bloodline the ability to gain natural armor bonus, manifest wings and have immunity to the element of the dragon, immunity to sleep and paralysis, give you blind sense
Is the force of personality give you+6 inheritance bonus in str in the abissal bloodline
No this is an inheritance heritage that you received from an ancestor. And if yo die and received a reincarnate is practically cutting off that heritage since you create a new body and the spell don't use your old body to create a new one
Well that the hypothesis i give
It's magic. If that's not enough: it uses a piece of the original creature's body (containing their DNA) as a component. The old body's Strength, Dexterity and Constitution are somehow carried across to the new body, so why not magic dragon blood too?
It's magic. If that's not enough: it uses a piece of the original creature's body (containing their DNA) as a component. The old body's Strength, Dexterity and Constitution are somehow carried across to the new body, so why not magic dragon blood too?
This is how I would treat the whole process in my own games. I'd even let the player 'retrain' the bloodline class feature if they really wanted to play up the whole reincarnation thing to the level that Zepheri seems to want to engage with. But I would by no means force them to do so. The magic is in the bloodline, and the flesh of the body is present at the time of reincarnation.
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Ok based in this some come from intervention like devil, god, celestial but there are some that came from heritage like dragon, if you take the dragon bloodline and later you reincarnated do you losses or not, if all your family where spellcaster and you gain arcana, do the bloodline pass to your new body. I not asking by rules but something to analyze
"My great, great, grandfather was the familiar of a dragon." is a perfectly valid reason for a draconic bloodline, but it doesn't require any of the DNA of a dragon.
Keeping or losing your bloodline when you are reincarnated is an RP question, something that should be discussed between the player and the GM.