The relationship between Inquisition and Domains?


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My GM asked me to prove that Inquisition is Domains. Does Inquisition belong to Domains in terms of various aspects (class feature,Feats, Prerequisites)? I didn't find any relevant explanation in UM's FAQ, nor in the forum The answer (maybe I didn't find it), if anyone has an official and accurate answer, can you please tell me?


https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/inquisitor/inquisitions/


Inquisitions are not technically domains but can be taken in place of domains. Is there a more specific question or interaction behind this question?

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While inquisitors often take on the domains permitted to the clerics of the faith, they are privy to special lore not open to priests and other agents of their religion. These divine pursuits, called inquisitions, grant inquisitors the tools necessary for the fight against enemies of the faith. An inquisitor may select an inquisition in place of a domain.

If an inquisition's granted power calls for a saving throw, the DC of the save is equal to 10 + 1/2 the character's inquisitor level + her Wisdom modifier. Unless otherwise stated, the caster level for granted power spell-like abilities is equal to the inquisitor's class level.

Inquisitions are intended for inquisitors, not for other classes that give access to domains. While a cleric or other domain-using class can select an inquisition in place of a domain (if appropriate to the character's deity), inquisitions do not grant domain spell slots or domain spells, and therefore are much weaker choices for those classes. These other classes use the appropriate class level as their inquisitor level for the purpose of inquisition granted powers (clerics use their cleric level as their inquisitor level, and so on).

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I think what the original poster is asking is:

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If I have an inquisition (but not a domain), can I take a feat with a prerequisite of “domain class feature?” Such as Warrior Priest.

The confusion is whether the inquisitor still has a class feature called “Domain” that lets her take such a feat or if taking an inquisition means that class feature is gone. UM doesn’t make clear if “Inquisition” is a replacement class feature for “Domain” or a subset of “Domain.”

I found the answer in the retraining section of Ultimate Campaign.

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If an archetype or variant class feature replaces the listed class feature, at the GM’s discretion you may retrain that alternative class feature for an equivalent variant class feature. For example, Ultimate Magic presents rules for inquisitions, which inquisitors can select in place of a domain, and the inquisitor entry below allows you to retrain your chosen domain, so you are allowed to instead retrain an inquisition, swapping it for a domain or another inquisition.

Inquisitions are an explicit example of something that replaces the listed class feature (Domain).

So no, having an inquisition does not count as having the domain class feature.

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Having said that, as a GM I might allow it anyway, depending on exactly what the player wanted to do. Warrior Priest, for example, would be fine by me.

Also note that a cleric might take an inquisition in place of one of her domains. As long as she keeps the other domain as a domain, she would still have the class feature.


just to restate what Belafon said;
Class Feature

Inquisition is a replacement for a Domain and does not count as a Domain class feature. Thus not the same.


Belafon wrote:

I think what the original poster is asking is:

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If I have an inquisition (but not a domain), can I take a feat with a prerequisite of “domain class feature?” Such as Warrior Priest.

The confusion is whether the inquisitor still has a class feature called “Domain” that lets her take such a feat or if taking an inquisition means that class feature is gone. UM doesn’t make clear if “Inquisition” is a replacement class feature for “Domain” or a subset of “Domain.”

I found the answer in the retraining section of Ultimate Campaign.

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If an archetype or variant class feature replaces the listed class feature, at the GM’s discretion you may retrain that alternative class feature for an equivalent variant class feature. For example, Ultimate Magic presents rules for inquisitions, which inquisitors can select in place of a domain , and the inquisitor entry below allows you to retrain your chosen domain, so you are allowed to instead retrain an inquisition, swapping it for a domain or another inquisition.

Inquisitions are an explicit example of something that replaces the listed class feature (Domain).

So no, having an inquisition does not count as having the domain class feature.

I would disagree here.

It replaces a choice of the class feature, not the class feature. UM provided inquisitors new options for their domains in exactly the same way it added to the druid domain options.

Note the absence of feature replacement terms like "this replaces domain" or even this "alters domain." Just like variant channeling (also from UM) doesn't replace channel energy, only how it works for that character.

TLDR: it is a variant domain, inquisitors choosing an inquisition still have the domain class feature.

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I grok do u wrote:

I would disagree here.

It replaces a choice of the class feature, not the class feature. UM provided inquisitors new options for their domains in exactly the same way it added to the druid domain options.

Note the absence of feature replacement terms like "this replaces domain" or even this "alters domain." Just like variant channeling (also from UM) doesn't replace channel energy, only how it works for that character.

TLDR: it is a variant domain, inquisitors choosing an inquisition still have the domain class feature.

Except that Ultimate Campaign is clear:

Ultimate Campaign page 189 wrote:
If an archetype or variant class feature replaces the listed class feature. . . For example, Ultimate Magic presents rules for inquisitions, which inquisitors can select in place of a domain. . .

Inquisitions are the explicit example given for a variant class feature that replaces the listed class feature.

Yes, they should have used better language.

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