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It does seem that if you are a centaur, and you are going to go fight things smaller than you (as many things are) you would like to wear armor, and you would specifically want to protect the fleshy area under your body, where vital organs probably are.

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PossibleCabbage wrote:
It does seem that if you are a centaur, and you are going to go fight things smaller than you (as many things are) you would like to wear armor, and you would specifically want to protect the fleshy area under your body, where vital organs probably are.

Chainmail underwear FTW

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PossibleCabbage wrote:
It does seem that if you are a centaur, and you are going to go fight things smaller than you (as many things are) you would like to wear armor, and you would specifically want to protect the fleshy area under your body, where vital organs probably are.

The only vital organs I can think of that they'd need would be... like... extra muscles, bone, skin, and probably an IMMENSE digestive system. Everything else would just... fit, mostly... Well, sort of, but that cycles back around to the topic here.. if you consider that below the waist the only organs relate to topics that society considers taboo, sex/reproduction and making/expelling bodily waste. Hopefully, they just avoid this kind of "flavor" for the Centaurs and leave it up to players' imagination...

Either way, I think dipping into this aspect of the discussion was the wrong move, I really REALLY don't need to think about how this would/could/should work because it is all borderline criminally disgusting if you do more than just scratch the surface of this tricky wicket so I'm going to just dip out and go play way too much Dorfromantik to wash the subject from my mind.


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Not going to lie: I would be quite interested in seeing centaur cultural fashion.


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Clothing often has practical benefits beyond just avoiding nudity taboos. Even for centaurs and other intelligent fantasy creatures that are better protected than humans unclad will probably appreciate an extra layer or two (even if not armor) against minor cuts and scratches, to help mitigate against environmental conditions, or to keep various parts of the anatomy from... getting in the way at certain ranges of motion. Not to mention pockets and other ways to carry things without needing to hold them.

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Dragonchess Player wrote:
Clothing often has practical benefits beyond just avoiding nudity taboos. Even for centaurs and other intelligent fantasy creatures that are better protected than humans unclad will probably appreciate an extra layer or two (even if not armor) against minor cuts and scratches, to help mitigate against environmental conditions, or to keep various parts of the anatomy from... getting in the way at certain ranges of motion. Not to mention pockets and other ways to carry things without needing to hold them.

Remember though that clothing protects humans from things we would not really suffer from if we had pelts comparable to those of most other mammals. Naked skin is fragile.


Kobold Catgirl wrote:
Yeah, it feels kind of petty. Like, the clothed succubus just looks more interesting than the old naked one. Costuming is a big part of character design. Also, like, I think most people enjoy clothed fanservice more, anyways? It's more titillating and gets across more personality. That could be my ace bias, though.

Thirded. Not sure if I personally agree with the 'more titillating anyway' but that's a personal call: I'm in full agreement that official game art should be for everyone, keepin' it G or PG. There are plenty of independent artists out there doing sexy stuff for the male gaze. The art world of women-in-fantasy-bikinis will not suffer any downturn if Paizo chooses a different direction.

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of course, my solution would be "more fanservice for all".

Now you've got me curious about women artist fanservice for the female gaze. :) [I don't need male for male: Boris Vallejo covered that quite comprehensively in the 80s.]


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A basic understanding of human anatomy is a good place to start, but I think this discussion has meandered a bit from the original topic.

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Little bit, but my question was answered, and a solution provided. Thank you all!


Unicore wrote:
I hope this is not the case. Including anthropomorphic ancestries should also include and explanation of their cultural customs including fashion. If centaurs believe that they must wear clothes over their human halves and not their horse halves, I am going to feel very bad for them and wonder why they feel such shame over human looking body parts.

Why assume shame? Could be ornamental/cultural. Could be functional: the horse part has thick skin and thick fur, the human part does not. Humans put most of their functional pockets on their pants. But that doesn't make sense for a centaur; their arms would be too short to reach their own saddlebags. So a bandolier, fisherman's vest, or similarly pocket-loaded "top" clothing makes sense. And if you think running without a sports bra creates issues, think about what trotting without one might be like...or do Golarion centaurs not have human b's? I suppose that technically, they're unnecessary.

Somewhat off topic but related: how does the mermaid (in the same supplement) get *into* her chariot? And once in it, how do you reach down to refill it with water? I appreciate the artwork and the need for some in-game solution even if it's a bit handwavey, but still, given the availability of magic to create novel solutions, it seems a bit impractical to go with a simple box-on-wheels.


Themetricsystem wrote:
The only vital organs I can think of that they'd need would be... like... extra muscles, bone, skin, and probably an IMMENSE digestive system. Everything else would just... fit, mostly...

Phil Jose Farmer had his centaurs have much larger mouths, and IIRC a big bellows-like diaphragm, since all the oxygen needed for the horse body has to be pulled through the comparatively tiny human nose and mouth. But Golarion is magic. There is really no need to engage in anatomy or biophysics justifications. I would hope Paizo spends its valuable page space on local history, culture, lifestyle, interactions with other societies, etc. instead.

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Ogre-centaurs would be beyond cool.


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The Raven Black wrote:
Ogre-centaurs would be beyond cool.

Wut. Ouch. Like clydesdale with a slavering maniac on top? Oof. Wielding a scythe. Extra points if the entire physiology is covered head to hoof in spiky plate armor hung with smoking thuribles.


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They're "frost giant-centaurs" (with eight legs) instead of "ogre-centaurs," but svathurim can probably be used as a starting point for adaptation.


Easl wrote:
Unicore wrote:
I hope this is not the case. Including anthropomorphic ancestries should also include and explanation of their cultural customs including fashion. If centaurs believe that they must wear clothes over their human halves and not their horse halves, I am going to feel very bad for them and wonder why they feel such shame over human looking body parts.

Why assume shame? Could be ornamental/cultural. Could be functional: the horse part has thick skin and thick fur, the human part does not. Humans put most of their functional pockets on their pants. But that doesn't make sense for a centaur; their arms would be too short to reach their own saddlebags. So a bandolier, fisherman's vest, or similarly pocket-loaded "top" clothing makes sense. And if you think running without a sports bra creates issues, think about what trotting without one might be like...or do Golarion centaurs not have human b's? I suppose that technically, they're unnecessary.

This just occurred to me...even if you wanted to for some reason give centaurs pants, how the heck would they even put them on? I can't imagine them either being flexible enough or long-limbed enough to reach that far.

I think clothes for the upper part, which lacks thick fur and is also close to their hands, making pockets useful, makes sense.

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