leveling up in pathfinder 2e


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i have a question , as i've read it says that every four levels you gain +1 ability score going for levels 4th 8th 12th etc. But I also found on the net that every 5th level like 5th 10th 15th etc you gain an ability boost of 4 ability scores but in my pathfinder core rulebook cant find this. Do they both apply ?

Silver Crusade

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The former is the rule from 1st Edition.

The latter is the rule for 2nd Edition.


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Pathfinder (original) is a different system. Pathfinder2e has different rules for leveling up - and pretty much everything else.

For ability boosts specifically, there is the note in the Leveling up Checklist to add your boosts when appropriate - which it mentions is at level 5 and every 5 levels after. There is also the section in Character Creation about what an Ability Boost is and what it does.


Yeah, OP sounds like somehow you've gotten mixed up confusing first edition and second edition rules.

Wayfinders Contributor

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It's pretty common mistake. During the huge rush of 5E players coming to Pathfinder 2nd Edition in Organized Play, I found that half of the players coming to our tables had purchased 1st Edition books by mistake (and not a surprise, since Pathfinder 2E was out of stock!)


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Rysky wrote:

The former is the rule from 1st Edition.

The latter is the rule for 2nd Edition.

Thanks for clarifying, i didn't even know that i had the core rulebook of 1st edition, i just placed my order for 2nd edition thank you again!


Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:
It's pretty common mistake. During the huge rush of 5E players coming to Pathfinder 2nd Edition in Organized Play, I found that half of the players coming to our tables had purchased 1st Edition books by mistake (and not a surprise, since Pathfinder 2E was out of stock!)

That many? That is sad.

This makes me sympathize more with the planned Remastered rulebooks coming out in November. The titles will be more distinct from 1st edition's Pathfinder Core Rulebook. Instead, we will have Pathfinder Player Core and Pathfinder GM Core copying the format of the two Dungeons & Dragons rulebooks so that players coming from D&D will be more likely to select them instead of a PF1 book.

Of course, Pathfinder 1st Edition is a fine game worth playing. I wonder whether anyone who picked up the PF1 rulebook by mistake decided to stick with PF1.


Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:
It's pretty common mistake. During the huge rush of 5E players coming to Pathfinder 2nd Edition in Organized Play, I found that half of the players coming to our tables had purchased 1st Edition books by mistake (and not a surprise, since Pathfinder 2E was out of stock!)

On this very site I can't sometimes understand for which edition the book is.

Ok, actually, NOW I can. Passing a lot of Perception checks and knowing where to look.
For example, are these 1st or 2nd edition rulebooks?
Bestiary 1
Bestiary 2
If you know to look at the headings in small font above 'Pathfinder / Rulebooks / First Edition', you'd know, but only there (and on the tiny picture of the 2nd ed cover there's tiny 'Second edition' inscription). So, that's relatively easy.
Now, for which edition are these adventures?
#3–25
#3-14
'Past seasons'? Ok, not a problem, I guess :)
And only below the main text you could find 'Pathfinder / Adventures / First Edition Adventures / Adventure Finder / 6th Level' if you are attentive enough. For 1st edition. For the 2nd edition adventure there's nothing at all on the page which says it's 2nd ed. Nothing. Apart from that tiny 'Second edition' inscription on the screenshot of the cover.
So I'm not surprised at all...

Grand Lodge

Different logos, although I know that's not helpful to new players.

First-edition books wouldn't be labeled, because at the time they were published they're weren't different editions to distinguish between. The second-edition books are clearly labeled.

And is all how you navigated to those pages? The menus separate them.

Though I will agree that the text in the shop page should specify and not just the image of the cover.

Liberty's Edge

Errenor wrote:
Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:
It's pretty common mistake. During the huge rush of 5E players coming to Pathfinder 2nd Edition in Organized Play, I found that half of the players coming to our tables had purchased 1st Edition books by mistake (and not a surprise, since Pathfinder 2E was out of stock!)

On this very site I can't sometimes understand for which edition the book is.

Ok, actually, NOW I can. Passing a lot of Perception checks and knowing where to look.
For example, are these 1st or 2nd edition rulebooks?
Bestiary 1
Bestiary 2
If you know to look at the headings in small font above 'Pathfinder / Rulebooks / First Edition', you'd know, but only there (and on the tiny picture of the 2nd ed cover there's tiny 'Second edition' inscription). So, that's relatively easy.
Now, for which edition are these adventures?
#3–25
#3-14
'Past seasons'? Ok, not a problem, I guess :)
And only below the main text you could find 'Pathfinder / Adventures / First Edition Adventures / Adventure Finder / 6th Level' if you are attentive enough. For 1st edition. For the 2nd edition adventure there's nothing at all on the page which says it's 2nd ed. Nothing. Apart from that tiny 'Second edition' inscription on the screenshot of the cover.
So I'm not surprised at all...

Looking at the dates of the first comments decidedly helps.


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The Raven Black wrote:
Looking at the dates of the first comments decidedly helps.

I don't remember the release date of the 2nd ed :) New players definitely don't know it.

Liberty's Edge

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Errenor wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Looking at the dates of the first comments decidedly helps.
I don't remember the release date of the 2nd ed :) New players definitely don't know it.

Hint : it's after the release of PF1 products.


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The Raven Black wrote:
Errenor wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Looking at the dates of the first comments decidedly helps.
I don't remember the release date of the 2nd ed :) New players definitely don't know it.
Hint : it's after the release of PF1 products.

So, to determine which products are PF1 and which are PF2, you need to look at dates and determine if their publishing dates came after dates of PF1 products. Don't you see anything strange with that? Are you sure you understand the situation we discuss?

Silver Crusade

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In that Society example, the picture for the 2E module is very clearly sporting the 2E trade dress in the corner. If it doesn't have that tab, it's not going to be 2E

Liberty's Edge

Errenor wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Errenor wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Looking at the dates of the first comments decidedly helps.
I don't remember the release date of the 2nd ed :) New players definitely don't know it.
Hint : it's after the release of PF1 products.
So, to determine which products are PF1 and which are PF2, you need to look at dates and determine if their publishing dates came after dates of PF1 products. Don't you see anything strange with that? Are you sure you understand the situation we discuss?

You were stating that there was nothing on the products' pages that could help obviously differentiate between PF1 and PF2 products.

I showed that there actually is.

Now, I agree that it could be more clear cut. Like using the usual PFRPG and PF2 tags.

Liberty's Edge

Errenor wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Errenor wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Looking at the dates of the first comments decidedly helps.
I don't remember the release date of the 2nd ed :) New players definitely don't know it.
Hint : it's after the release of PF1 products.
So, to determine which products are PF1 and which are PF2, you need to look at dates and determine if their publishing dates came after dates of PF1 products. Don't you see anything strange with that? Are you sure you understand the situation we discuss?

Many of the lines also have new names/naming conventions in PF2:

Campaign Setting & Player Companion (PF1) -> Lost Omens (PF2)
Modules -> Adventures
Pathfinder Roleplaying Game (PF1 rulebooks) -> Pathfinder (PF2 rulebooks), definitely the weakest change - but they do have a pretty substantial tab saying 'second edition' at the top.

PFS scenarios and APs don't have any name changes, and are definitely the easiest to get mixed up - though they still have the second edition tag on the cover, as do all the pf2 books. But for all of the books, there are useful ways to tell if a book is for PF1 or PF2 without knowing any of the dates!

Liberty's Edge

And we do not actually need to know the dates of the products. Just check the dates of the first comments. Those for PF1 will be older than those for PF2.
That said, a reminder of the release date in the product description would also be a worthy addition IMO.


Arcaian wrote:
Errenor wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Errenor wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Looking at the dates of the first comments decidedly helps.
I don't remember the release date of the 2nd ed :) New players definitely don't know it.
Hint : it's after the release of PF1 products.
So, to determine which products are PF1 and which are PF2, you need to look at dates and determine if their publishing dates came after dates of PF1 products. Don't you see anything strange with that? Are you sure you understand the situation we discuss?

Many of the lines also have new names/naming conventions in PF2:

Campaign Setting & Player Companion (PF1) -> Lost Omens (PF2)
Modules -> Adventures
Pathfinder Roleplaying Game (PF1 rulebooks) -> Pathfinder (PF2 rulebooks), definitely the weakest change - but they do have a pretty substantial tab saying 'second edition' at the top.

PFS scenarios and APs don't have any name changes, and are definitely the easiest to get mixed up - though they still have the second edition tag on the cover, as do all the pf2 books. But for all of the books, there are useful ways to tell if a book is for PF1 or PF2 without knowing any of the dates!

But again, that's not something a new player would know. Experienced players won't have any problems, but someone coming in for the first time will.

Silver Crusade

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But the important thing is that EVERY second edition product has the Second Edition tag on the front cover. If it doesn't have that, it's not a Second Edition product


thejeff wrote:
But again, that's not something a new player would know. Experienced players won't have any problems, but someone coming in for the first time will.

I gave up. They don't understand and seem to not want to understand.

Cori Marie wrote:
But the important thing is that EVERY second edition product has the Second Edition tag on the front cover. If it doesn't have that, it's not a Second Edition product

Again, how the new (not even) player should know it? How should they find out that they need to open fully and enlarge cover and find there small text in the upper right corner?

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