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The rug wasn't swept out. The new edition was announced long before it rolled out, it was made abundantly clear that PF1 would be sunset for new content, but that old content would still be supported as long as it was financially viable. Which is why you can still find copies of the 1E rulebooks for the most part.
And no, nobody expects you to be a professional game developer; but the assumption of playing the game is something that's gonna be there. You can still find 1E games to get into. I've played in a couple the last year myself. Reading and rereading the rules is one thing. Seeing how they work in practice is an entirely different thing.
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Well . . . it sort of was, even if that wasn't the intention. The forums for it sure seem to have mostly died, after what had seemed to be a promising resurgence in 2021 - 2022. (Although come to think of it, the forums in general don't seem as lively as they used to be, so maybe it's not just a 1st Edition edition forums phenomenon.) And yes, now I'm trying to become conversant in 2nd Edition (although at a MUCH SLOWER rate due to my time having become more limited), so that I would actually be able to contribute usefully to a 2nd Edition game if I got in one.
Also, I should have mentioned above, I actually have gotten to see 1st Edition rules work in practice, just mostly not at my own hands. I followed quite a number of PbPs (I wish I could get back to that . . .), and sometimes I even referenced them in my posts (in retrospect, I should have done that more often).
Now, from various posts (not just here), I understand the why of the move to 2nd Edition. But . . . it still hurts, because I still wish that it had retained the richness of options of 1st Edition. So it seemed appropriate to post in a thread about thoughts for Pathfinder next edition that maybe it could be a more evolutionary step from 2nd Edition that would put restore as much as possible of the richness of options of 1st Edition.
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The richness of options came from ten years of content. When first edition launched it also didn't have that richness of content. PF2 now has a wide range of content that's almost up there with first edition.
I remember a time from a couple of years after it launched, and it was already pretty rich in options, although of course it has grown greatly since then.
Just get in a game. {. . .}
Believe me, I would REALLY like to. External factors having nothing to do with Paizo policy or its messageboards are preventing me from doing so. (Edit #1: This is stuff in my life that has gotten worse than it used to be during the heydey of 1st Edition. Edit #2: It's also keeping me from following 2nd Edition PbPs to get an in-game view of how things work there, the way I did for 1st Edition well beyond the limited success I had getting in a game myself back then.)
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The richness of options came from ten years of content. When first edition launched it also didn't have that richness of content. PF2 now has a wide range of content that's almost up there with first edition.
It's also easy to overlook how PF2 acquires content more rapidly. A single PF2 archetype opens up as many possible builds as almost 40 PF1 archetypes. That page efficiency means PF2 has been growing ridiculously faster than PF1 was capable of. More books doesn't necessarily mean more options, it just means more books.
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The richness of options came from ten years of content. When first edition launched it also didn't have that richness of content. PF2 now has a wide range of content that's almost up there with first edition.It's also easy to overlook how PF2 acquires content more rapidly. A single PF2 archetype opens up as many possible builds as almost 40 PF1 archetypes. That page efficiency means PF2 has been growing ridiculously faster than PF1 was capable of. More books doesn't necessarily mean more options, it just means more books.
Also the reality of it is that the balance of pf2e means more of those options are viable for more characters-- you aren't falling behind by becoming a dandy wizard or something, so in practice there's even more customization because you won't be as quick to optimization brain yourself out of your takes.
Pahtfinder 2E is a great system for the veteran player. The Beginner Box for 2E is also an amazing product for new players. The problem is the transition of a new player from a nice Beginner Box to a huge 640 page Core Rulebook. The D&D Player's Handbook is half the size and half the price. I believe Paizo should make all three options:a player's guide, a game master's guide, and an all-in-one game guide. Also, I think Paizo missed out on quite a few sales when the OGL scandal hit because they would have had more inventory to sell if they printed three options for the base rules of the game.
Well doesn’t this look prescient.
Before anyone says it, I don't think Pathfinder Remaster = 3E. It sounds like they're removing D&D-owned stuff and getting rid of alignment while they're at it.
Pathfinder re-what now? <looks around>
Well, okay then.
Hey, devs, could you at least un-nerf Prestidigitation? Pretty please?
Also:
Will these changes impact the Starfinder Roleplaying Game?
Not yet. <ominous music added by Magnus>
Well, that sure put my tentative plans to maybe buy some Starfinder hardcovers on hold, I can tell you this.
However, if I ever want to get into buying 2E books, this seems to be the moment. Well, something to ponder over the long weekend, I guess!
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Will these changes impact the Starfinder Roleplaying Game?
Not yet. <ominous music added by Magnus>
Well, that sure put my tentative plans to maybe buy some Starfinder hardcovers on hold, I can tell you this.
I honestly suspect though we won't get orc starfinder before starfinder 2e.
Mostly because starfinder is about six years old, if they pulled resources from starfinder to finish remastered books for next years, that means at least one year of starfinder light content. Which means that it would be weird if they released starfinder remasted on 7th or 8th year when in couple years its old enough to legitly maybe warrant 2e.
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Well, that Starfinder mostly was built on the 1E core is one of the selling points of it for me.
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I was meaning it from perspective of "I think its relatively safe to buy Starfinder because I don't think there is gonna be some sort of book that erratas big part of rules mid edition cycle" but yeah hmm wasn't thinking of possibility ye might not want to buy into "finished edition" in case that is what happens instead.
Well, my big problem with Starfinder is actually the lack of high-level AP's, otherwise it seems like a decent game. However, adding a "We'll see..." ominous uncertainty about its future doesn't really help, either. ^^
That's be nice and I'd get the AP if that were the case.
It's obvious that they are planning something for Starfinder, which is very likely to be Starfinder 2E, based on the PF2E rules engine. If I were them, I'd likely leave it at what is currently announced for Starfinder 1E, cancel Starfinder Enhanced, probably even cancel the Scoured Stars AP – which in effect leaves only Port of Call and Society Scenarios, and bet on Starfinder 2E.
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It's obvious that they are planning something for Starfinder, which is very likely to be Starfinder 2E, based on the PF2E rules engine. If I were them, I'd likely leave it at what is currently announced for Starfinder 1E, cancel Starfinder Enhanced, probably even cancel the Scoured Stars AP – which in effect leaves only Port of Call and Society Scenarios, and bet on Starfinder 2E.
The four books in the Pathfinder core remaster are scheduled to be finished around June or July 2024. I don't think Paizo would take on 2 huge project at the same time. so my guess is not anytime soon. One way or another we'll find out more during Paizo Con in 23 days. If they don't announce it then it's a long way off still, if that's even the plan.