
Squiggit |
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Daze says otherwise: Daze has a duration and the only effect that has a duration is Stunned 1. As such, it's a strong hint at Stunned 1 having a duration of at most 1 round.
Or that someone made a typographical error because "stunned 1 for 1 round" doesn't actually make sense.

SuperBidi |

I already did, and you either didn't read the post entirely, or dismissed it because [reasons].
I'll show you the relevant bits to save time:
Stunned wrote:You've become senseless. You can't act while stunned. Stunned usually includes a value, which indicates how many total actions you lose, possibly over multiple turns, from being stunned. Each time you regain actions (such as at the start of your turn), reduce the number you regain by your stunned value, then reduce your stunned value by the number of actions you lost. For example, if you were stunned 4, you would lose all 3 of your actions on your turn, reducing you to stunned 1; on your next turn, you would lose 1 more action, and then be able to use your remaining 2 actions normally. Stunned might also have a duration instead of a value, such as “stunned for 1 minute.” In this case, you lose all your actions for the listed duration.
So your interpretation is that if a condition doesn't specifically states a duration, either in the spell or in the condition description, it doesn't have a duration and as such is an ongoing effect.
The consequences being:
- Stunned 1 from Daze doesn't have a duration (and as such the 1 round duration of Daze is an error).
- Frightened doesn't have a duration and Fear also has a weird duration entry because of that.
- Quickened doesn't have a duration and as such Haste gives a permanent Quickened condition.
My interpretation of "duration" is the basic English one: Something that lasts more than a split second. As such, Stunned 1 has a duration, Frightened has a duration, and all conditions have durations actually as they all last for some time. There's no more typo in spells or need to make exceptions.
I think you'll understand why I stick to my interpretation.

Darksol the Painbringer |

Darksol the Painbringer wrote:I already did, and you either didn't read the post entirely, or dismissed it because [reasons].
I'll show you the relevant bits to save time:
Stunned wrote:You've become senseless. You can't act while stunned. Stunned usually includes a value, which indicates how many total actions you lose, possibly over multiple turns, from being stunned. Each time you regain actions (such as at the start of your turn), reduce the number you regain by your stunned value, then reduce your stunned value by the number of actions you lost. For example, if you were stunned 4, you would lose all 3 of your actions on your turn, reducing you to stunned 1; on your next turn, you would lose 1 more action, and then be able to use your remaining 2 actions normally. Stunned might also have a duration instead of a value, such as “stunned for 1 minute.” In this case, you lose all your actions for the listed duration.So your interpretation is that if a condition doesn't specifically states a duration, either in the spell or in the condition description, it doesn't have a duration and as such is an ongoing effect.
The consequences being:
- Stunned 1 from Daze doesn't have a duration (and as such the 1 round duration of Daze is an error).
- Frightened doesn't have a duration and Fear also has a weird duration entry because of that.
- Quickened doesn't have a duration and as such Haste gives a permanent Quickened condition.My interpretation of "duration" is the basic English one: Something that lasts more than a split second. As such, Stunned 1 has a duration, Frightened has a duration, and all conditions have durations actually as they all last for some time. There's no more typo in spells or need to make exceptions.
I think you'll understand why I stick to my interpretation.
My interpretation is Stunned 1 is not a duration, and Stunned for 1 round is, because the rules outright differentiate them as being separate entities. And to be clear, this is also only for the Stunned condition, because other conditions do not (usually) make this distinction, or say a duration in addition to a value. So extrapolating this interpretation to other effects/conditions is a strawman.
For comparison, the Fear spell references Frightened, which goes down at the end of each turn as normal, and Haste is obvious that it isn't permanent because it is giving you something while the spell lasts, and even if you need it to be obvious, it can add a phrase like "for the spell's duration," which takes no effort.
Sticking to an interpretation that values typos or blatant cheesing over obviously intended effects is not something I can have an understanding for.