A Fighter has a Wizard Archetype.
Fighter has a ring of Wizardry.
Ring of Wizardry says "It does nothing unless you have a spellcasting class feature with the arcane tradition."
Does the fighter have a CLASS Feature with the arcane tradition?
In other words, is a "Dedication Feat" a Class Feature of Fighter?? Because if it isnt then does the ring work??
Have a read of this thread
Basically the multiclass dedication should be enough to count as the spell casting feature. Though you probably need the basic spell casting feat as well to get use out of the Ring of Wizardry.
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Shakes head
Have a look at this rule.
A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can, and the basic spellcasting feat counts as having a spellcasting class feature.
And since the Ring of Wizardry is not a scroll, staff, or wand you can't even make the argument that 'having' the archetype has an explicit override for using it.
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Shakes head
Have a look at this rule.
A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can, and the basic spellcasting feat counts as having a spellcasting class feature.And since the Ring of Wizardry is not a scroll, staff, or wand you can't even make the argument that 'having' the archetype has an explicit override for using it.
I agree. You need the Basic Spellcasting feat to count as having a spellcasting class feature.
The errata made a specific exception that lets the dedication feat grant the use of scrolls, staves, and wands, but for everything else you still need the Basic Spellcasting feat.
The errata made a specific exception that lets the dedication feat grant the use of scrolls, staves, and wands, but for everything else you still need the Basic Spellcasting feat.
What errata?
That line in the CRB for multiclass spellcasting archetypes hasn't changed as far as I know.
And if you are talking about a particular YouTube video, that isn't errata.
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Since I've got an old PDF sitting on my phone,, i can tell you that it used to say "A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can."
And now says "A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can, and the basic spellcasting feat counts as having a spellcasting class feature."
Since I've got an old PDF sitting on my phone,, i can tell you that it used to say "A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can."
And now says "A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can, and the basic spellcasting feat counts as having a spellcasting class feature."
I find the change amusing, as it means that casting class cantrips DOESN'T require the "spellcasting class feature".
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Since I've got an old PDF sitting on my phone,, i can tell you that it used to say "A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can."
And now says "A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can, and the basic spellcasting feat counts as having a spellcasting class feature."
Most interesting.
So the original CRB had the same wording as the APG - and was changed to require the Basic Spellcasting feat. Apparently as stealth errata since I am not seeing any change for that listed in the FAQ page.
Also, the Bounded Spellcasting Archetype rules have the same wording as the current CRB - requiring the Basic Bounded Spellcasting feat in order to have a Spellcasting class feature.
Makes me think that the ruling that Basic Spellcasting is needed in order to cast from scrolls and other spellcasting items is what the rest of the rules are eventually going to be errata changed to. YouTube videos aside.
The errata made a specific exception that lets the dedication feat grant the use of scrolls, staves, and wands, but for everything else you still need the Basic Spellcasting feat.What errata?
That line in the CRB for multiclass spellcasting archetypes hasn't changed as far as I know.
And if you are talking about a particular YouTube video, that isn't errata.
The errata showed up in the second printing of the CRB.
In the first printing, the Dedication allowed the use of scrolls, staves, and wands, but it wasn't clear whether this was a special exception to the usual rules requiring a 'Spellcasting Class Feature' or if the Dedication was a 'Spellcasting Class Feature.'
A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can.
So in the second printing they clarified that the Dedication allowing the use of scrolls, staves, and wands is a special exception to the usual rules, and that you need to take the Basic Spellcasting Feat to count as having a 'Spellcasting Class Feature' for any other purpose.
A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can, and the basic spellcasting feat counts as having a spellcasting class feature.
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The errata showed up in the second printing of the CRB.
In the first printing, the Dedication allowed the use of scrolls, staves, and wands, but it wasn't clear whether this was a special exception to the usual rules requiring a 'Spellcasting Class Feature' or if the Dedication was a 'Spellcasting Class Feature.'
A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can.So in the second printing they clarified that the Dedication allowing the use of scrolls, staves, and wands is a special exception to the usual rules, and that you need to take the Basic Spellcasting Feat to count as having a 'Spellcasting Class Feature' for any other purpose.
A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can, and the basic spellcasting feat counts as having a spellcasting class feature.
So it was stealth errata. Because I am not seeing anything in the FAQ page for the second printing of the CRB mentioning this change.
So I really wonder how you interpret that as a clarification.
Because I can just as easily interpret that change to be a clarification that the basic spellcasting feat is necessary to use any of the spellcasting items. It gives the scroll, staff, and wand as examples of what you can use with the archetype - once you take the necessary feat.
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It's a compound sentence so there are two points being made here.
A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can,
So taking the Dedication lets you use scrolls, staves, and wands despite not having a spell casting class feature.
and
the basic spellcasting feat counts as having a spellcasting class feature.
So for everything else that normally requires a spellcasting class feature, the basic spellcasting feat meets that requirement.
It's really not complicated. We even have confirmation from the design team that this is the correct interpretation. I'm really unclear why you hate this rule so much that you refuse to accept that.
It's a compound sentence so there are two points being made here.
A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can,So taking the Dedication lets you use scrolls, staves, and wands despite not having a spell casting class feature.
and
the basic spellcasting feat counts as having a spellcasting class feature.So for everything else that normally requires a spellcasting class feature, the basic spellcasting feat meets that requirement.
It's really not complicated. We even have confirmation from the design team that this is the correct interpretation.
Exactly what is the difference between the two? What is in the space of everything else that requires a spellcasting feature?
Is there anything outside Learn a Spell? IE nothing.
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Exactly what is the difference between the two? What is in the space of everything else that requires a spellcasting feature?It's a compound sentence so there are two points being made here.
A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can,So taking the Dedication lets you use scrolls, staves, and wands despite not having a spell casting class feature.
and
the basic spellcasting feat counts as having a spellcasting class feature.So for everything else that normally requires a spellcasting class feature, the basic spellcasting feat meets that requirement.
It's really not complicated. We even have confirmation from the design team that this is the correct interpretation.
Uhm. Ring of Wizardry which "does nothing unless you have a spellcasting class feature with the arcane tradition."
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It's a compound sentence so there are two points being made here.
A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can,So taking the Dedication lets you use scrolls, staves, and wands despite not having a spell casting class feature.
and
the basic spellcasting feat counts as having a spellcasting class feature.So for everything else that normally requires a spellcasting class feature, the basic spellcasting feat meets that requirement.
It's really not complicated. We even have confirmation from the design team that this is the correct interpretation.
Exactly what is the difference between the two? What is in the space of everything else that requires a spellcasting feature?
Is there anything outside Learn a Spell? IE nothing.
Any other item with the activation type "Cast A Spell". Spellhearts are a common, popular example.
It's really not complicated. We even have confirmation from the design team that this is the correct interpretation. I'm really unclear why you hate this rule so much that you refuse to accept that.
Several things actually.
One, the clarification was added - but it actually makes things less clear. On the surface, it feels to me like the added text is trying to make it clear that the Basic Spellcasting feat is needed for all of the Cast a Spell items. If the intent was to allow the dedication feat to allow casting from Cast a Spell items, then why didn't it say that the Dedication feat gives you the Cast a Spell activity and the Spellcasting class feature? Why call out the Basic Spellcasting feat at all?
Two, it feels like there is a split camp among the development team. Some thinking that the behavior should be one way, and some thinking that the behavior should be the other. We have just only heard publicly from one of the developers and therefore only one of the camps.
Three, it causes a strange and seemingly arbitrary divide among the spellcasting items. Scrolls and Wands can be used with just the dedication feat, but Spellhearts, the Ring of Wizardry, or anything else that is added later are not - they still require the Basic Spellcasting feat. And Staves are in a wierd place. I guess you can use the Cantrip from a staff.
Four, the rule from the APG is still out of date. And going by that rule text alone means that those items other than Scrolls, Wands, and Staves cannot be used by the archetype spellcasters ever.
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Oh, and this isn't the worst unofficial errata from that YouTube series. The one that I like even less is saying that a Witch Archetype familiar doesn't get restored the following day if it gets killed. That makes the entire Archetype unplayable.
That one is the one that makes me despise unofficial errata passionately.
Any other item with the activation type "Cast A Spell". Spellhearts are a common, popular example.It's a compound sentence so there are two points being made here.
A spellcasting archetype allows you to use scrolls, staves, and wands in the same way that a member of a spellcasting class can,So taking the Dedication lets you use scrolls, staves, and wands despite not having a spell casting class feature.
and
the basic spellcasting feat counts as having a spellcasting class feature.So for everything else that normally requires a spellcasting class feature, the basic spellcasting feat meets that requirement.
It's really not complicated. We even have confirmation from the design team that this is the correct interpretation.
Exactly what is the difference between the two? What is in the space of everything else that requires a spellcasting feature?
Is there anything outside Learn a Spell? IE nothing.
That is the one thing. It is called activate an item
https://2e.aonprd.com/Actions.aspx?ID=100
CRB 1st printing p533