Can alchemists / investigators provide spells for another caster during item crafting

[Hisoka777]

Would a Star Watcher investigator be able to provide spells for a Witch crafting a wonderous item? The star watcher does not have any crafting feats and does not have cooperative crafting. The horoscopes are keyed to specific individuals and thus cannot affect the item being crafted so that is where the issue is coming from. Any help here would be huge.

[Java Man]

According to faq an alchemist does not count as a spellcaster for taming crafting feats. A starwatcher's charts count as extracts except for specific differences listed in the archetype. So I'd say you cannot assist another character in making magic items.

[Hisoka777]

Java Man wrote:

According to faq an alchemist does not count as a spellcaster for taming crafting feats. A starwatcher's charts count as extracts except for specific differences listed in the archetype. So I'd say you cannot assist another character in making magic items.

The star watcher isn’t doing the crafting. He’s just providing the spells needed.

[Java Man]

Yes, I'm saying that if extracts (or horoscopes) don't count as spells for being a spellcaster then they don't count as spells here either. And lacking a pq (like a spell) for crafting only raises the (terribky easy) DC by 5, so why worry?

[Mysterious Stranger]

What Java Man is trying to say is that since the alchemist is not counted as a spell caster, he cannot provide spells.

[Hisoka777]

Java Man wrote:

Yes, I'm saying that if extracts (or horoscopes) don't count as spells for being a spellcaster then they don't count as spells here either. And lacking a pq (like a spell) for crafting only raises the (terribky easy) DC by 5, so why worry?

Because the DC is raised by 5 per spell you don’t have access to. Thus if you have 3 spells you don’t know that’s +15 to the DC. At that point it’s difficult to willingly increase it by another 5 to craft twice as fast. When time is of the essence cutting crafting time down is imperative.

[Java Man]

Sure, just reword my babbling so that it makes sense, what are you trying to do, be helpful and considerate or something?

(For the sarcasm impaired: thanks!)

[Java Man]

If you really need to supply pqs you lack you can look into scrolls or paying for npcs to cast for you, if feasible.

Also, long lasting buffs like tears to wine or crafter's fortune (if using a craft skill and not spellcraft).

[Azothath]

sadly the extracts and horoscopes won't provide a spell which is what meets the requirement.

essentially these classes are dead ends when it comes to actual spellcasting.

[thorin001]

About the only way an alchemist can provide spells for crafting is by using a wand to provide a spell. Beyond that is the way anyone could help: UMD a wand or scroll.