
![]() |

There's not much information on the first world in Starfinder. Most of what we know comes from the description of the first world drive in the starship operations manual. From that, we learn:
1: The first world has no space.
2: Only places around at the time the first world was created can be traveled to using a first drive, so pathfinder 1e is likely our best source of info.
3: The first world is constantly changing except for regions controlled by the Eldest. These regions are used as waypoints for first drive travel.
So each planet you travel to must have an Eldest controlled region on the first world.
From pathfinder1e we can learn that:
1: The First World is simply a single world that seems to stretch forever in every direction.
2: Everything in the Material Plane has analogues in the First World.
So does this mean planets in the material plane are flat regions connected on an endless plain in the first world?
3: The first world has a sky of whirling stars and moons that change shape and texture as they track their way through the vibrant heavens.
But no space, so are stars and moons illusions in the first world or actual places that can be traveled to in an endless sky?

Metaphysician |
For the two questions, the answers I would give are:
1. Yep, pretty much. The First World is one giant infinite plane, sort of like a Minecraft map except bigger. Though strictly speaking its probably not exactly a *plane*, in that space is weird and different areas may connect in unexpected ways. Just because you go a thousand miles straight 'east' to go from one town to another, doesn't mean that you can't go back via a ten mile semi-circular hike.
2. I would suggest they aren't illusions, but they also aren't in an endless sky, either. If you look up at the moon, you probably can travel to it. . . but the moon you see is maybe only 10 miles up or so. It is not an astronomical body, and its very much still part of the world beneath you. For that matter, the moon likely descends to the surface of the First World every day.

![]() |
5 people marked this as a favorite. |

2. I would suggest they aren't illusions, but they also aren't in an endless sky, either. If you look up at the moon, you probably can travel to it. . . but the moon you see is maybe only 10 miles up or so. It is not an astronomical body, and its very much still part of the world beneath you. For that matter, the moon likely descends to the surface of the First World every day.
On the back of the moons in the First World it just says:
/***********************Proof of Concept satellite (end user should never see this side)
*TODO make real one bigger, farther away, & gravitationally bound
*ask Groetus / Torag / Sr Dev
*TODO
**********************/

![]() |

For the two questions, the answers I would give are:
1. Yep, pretty much. The First World is one giant infinite plane, sort of like a Minecraft map except bigger. Though strictly speaking its probably not exactly a *plane*, in that space is weird and different areas may connect in unexpected ways. Just because you go a thousand miles straight 'east' to go from one town to another, doesn't mean that you can't go back via a ten mile semi-circular hike.
2. I would suggest they aren't illusions, but they also aren't in an endless sky, either. If you look up at the moon, you probably can travel to it. . . but the moon you see is maybe only 10 miles up or so. It is not an astronomical body, and its very much still part of the world beneath you. For that matter, the moon likely descends to the surface of the First World every day.
If the moons are only 10 miles up instead of setting, they might just wander out of view. I like the idea of moons descending too. They could be nonmaterial and just pass in to the ground, or if physical might need a resting place so they don't destroy what they land on. Or that moon landing and raisings cause a lot of the reshaping of the land but more melt into it then cause a giant impact explosion. It's the first world. all the above and more could be true at the same time or in different places.
Not sure if the first world even has a sun?