Determination level restriction

[_benno]

The determination feat states: If the effect comes from a creature, hazard, or item of 20th level or higher, Determination can't remove its effect on you.

So when you are at level 20 yourself (I know thats rare enough on its own xD), wouldn’t this feat become nearly useless?
Most creatures that pose a real threat to you are of 20th level or higher by then. So everything coming from them can’t be removed, can it?
Even low level spells from them (with a low counteract level) would still be of limits because they come from a high level creature. Do I read that correctly?

[breithauptclan]

_benno wrote:

Do I read that correctly?

Yes.

Though if I was the GM and you pointed that out to me, I would probably rule that it still works on anything that is not from an artifact or from a creature/item that is 2 levels or less higher than your character is. But that is a houserule ruling.

[Captain Morgan]

Eh. There's plenty of things which will still inflict conditions on you below your level. Unless you're only fighting solo bosses I'm pretty sure something will make you frightened, drained, enfeebled, clumsy, etc once a day. Keep in mind the feat is an action to use, so it can't really be used on Incapacitation effects where level would really matter.

[_benno]

Captain Morgan wrote:

Eh. There's plenty of things which will still inflict conditions on you below your level. Unless you're only fighting solo bosses I'm pretty sure something will make you frightened, drained, enfeebled, clumsy, etc once a day. Keep in mind the feat is an action to use, so it can't really be used on Incapacitation effects where level would really matter.

How are 2-4 on level enemies considered solo boss monsters?

Also lower level monsters are the ones you probably succeed your saves against anyway not even suffering the conditions in the first place. And this is a life saver ability, most likely not being used unless in a threatening situation. And the most threatening situations are at least in my experience not with low level enemies.
There are incap abilities where it works, paralyzed for example.

[Captain Morgan]

_benno wrote:

Captain Morgan wrote:

Eh. There's plenty of things which will still inflict conditions on you below your level. Unless you're only fighting solo bosses I'm pretty sure something will make you frightened, drained, enfeebled, clumsy, etc once a day. Keep in mind the feat is an action to use, so it can't really be used on Incapacitation effects where level would really matter.

How are 2-4 on level enemies considered solo boss monsters?

Also lower level monsters are the ones you probably succeed your saves against anyway not even suffering the conditions in the first place. And this is a life saver ability, most likely not being used unless in a threatening situation. And the most threatening situations are at least in my experience not with low level enemies.
There are incap abilities where it works, paralyzed for example.

I mean 4 at level enemies technically breaks the encounter math, though I've seen people argue at higher levels you can handle extreme encounters fine. But you're more likely to fight 4 19th level enemies.

The thing about fighting lower level enemies is you're usually fighting a lot of them, which means they have a lot of chances to land something on you. A condition which lands is usually just as bad coming from a monster below your level than from one above. And it isn't like a 19th level enemy stops being a threat to you, for example.

Mileage may vary, and if yours does, you probably want to retrain this feat.