Deva perception score


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I recently focused on the Perception score of Movanic Deva (+26), because my players got the help of a small group of these angels.
Unless my maths are incorrect, the maximum score should be:
12 (ranks) + 3 (class) + 3 (17 Wis) + 4 (racial) = +22. So where does the +4 difference come from ?
I also checked the Monadic and Astral Devas Perception scores.
Monadic: +14 (ranks) + 3 (class) + 4 (18 Wis) + 4 (racial) + 4 (feat) = +29 it's the same as the stats bloc in bestiary.
Astral: +15 (ranks) + 3 (class) + 4 (18 Wis) + 4 (feat) = +26 it's also the same as the stats bloc in bestiary, although I don't understand why the Astral Devas have lost their +4 racial bonus for the Perception skill.

To me, it looks like some kind of typos and I intend to change these Perception scores to +22 / +29 / + 30 for the 3 Deva species.
What do you think: Should Movanic Deva have +22 Perception bonus? And Should Astral have +30?
Thanks in advance for your answers.


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For the movanic deva, my guess is that both the Perception +26 and the Sense Motive +22 were supposed to include Alertness like the monadic deva.

For the astral deva not having the +4 racial Perception bonus, maybe it's a trade-off for the change shape ability.


You'll find lots of little errors, especially in skills, within the bestiaries. Ultimately its up to you; while perception is definitely one of the more "important to have correct for combat" skills, its also still just a +4 difference in both cases, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Movanic deva was supposed to have alertness and they forgot to put it in (judging by the +22 sense motive without +4 racial for that too, it would seem so)/traded it for some other "more important feat" and forgot to adjust skills, and likewise forgot to add at the end the racial skill bonus for Astral.


Dragonchess Player wrote:

For the movanic deva, my guess is that both the Perception +26 and the Sense Motive +22 were supposed to include Alertness like the monadic deva.

For the astral deva not having the +4 racial Perception bonus, maybe it's a trade-off for the change shape ability.

Actually the +22 Sense Motive is correct for the movanic deva. Only the Perception score needs to be adjusted.

For the astral deva, this rises another question: to what part does the racial apply? Angel? Deva? Astral? I think it's the later, but is there a clear rule for this?


AwesomenessDog wrote:
You'll find lots of little errors, especially in skills, within the bestiaries. Ultimately its up to you; while perception is definitely one of the more "important to have correct for combat" skills, its also still just a +4 difference in both cases, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Movanic deva was supposed to have alertness and they forgot to put it in (judging by the +22 sense motive without +4 racial for that too, it would seem so)/traded it for some other "more important feat" and forgot to adjust skills, and likewise forgot to add at the end the racial skill bonus for Astral.

So there is no official answer, and it's probably too late to ask for an official errata here.

I think I'll change the movanic deva perception to +22 (that's the less impacting for the game).
For the astral deva, as I wrote in my last comment, it depends on what is considered as the race here. If the race is deva, then all devas should have the +4 bonus. If it's a specific kind of deva, then maybe it's time to accept that lesser deva have better perception than the greater ones.
Thanks for your insight on this question.


Yeah Paizo couldn't give a shit about 1e for half a decade by now. I would assume just deva's as a subtype of angels.

But how is the +22 correct but +26 (with racial +4) for perception not?


AwesomenessDog wrote:

Yeah Paizo couldn't give a s%+& about 1e for half a decade by now. I would assume just deva's as a subtype of angels.

But how is the +22 correct but +26 (with racial +4) for perception not?

Sorry, you're right. I don't know why, I also counted the +4 racial skill bonus, which only applies to Perception. So it should get +22 Perception and +18 Sense motive.

As Dragonchess Player wrote, it really looks like Alertness feat is missing here.

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