Magus Dedication and Implements question


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My brother is starting a campaign in a few months or so where each player starts with a level 1 character with one free archetype and they don't get the second for another 3 levels, etc.
These archetypes ensure that every player has access to some form of magic.
I'm playing a Thaumaturge with a Magus dedication and the Weapon Esoterica.
Neither of us can figure out whether the Magus Dedication allows a weapon to be an Esoterica and a Casting Implement at the same time, allowing for Esoterica Empowered Spellstrikes and casting without a spellbook.
While I'm aware I'd not be getting many spell slots or much in the way of utility out of the dedication, I was thinking of getting more Martial out of my Martial class with offensive spells and the Scroll Thaumaturgy feeding into spellstrikes.

If the weapon can indeed be both implement and esoterica, it would mean that I can exploit vulnerability at the start of combat, then cast a scroll in the same hand holding the weapon/esoterica/implement through a weapon strike as an action and empower that strike for extra damage, and still have one/two actions free for a follow-up attack.


If you have scroll thaumaturgy and a weapon implement, you can use the hand holding your implement to hold and cast scrolls. Nothing about magus abilities would prevent that interaction. You may be a little confused as to how casting works in general though. There's nothing stopping you from casting spells from magus archetype with your setup.


scroll is the esoterica

and can be hold in the same hand as implement

which is a weapon in this case


The issue we are having is the question of whether the Magus Dedication provides the same "weapon as implement" function as the Magus' Arcane Spellcasting Feat.
Not whether scrolls can be cast.

Grand Lodge

Implements are a Thaumaturge thing, though, not a Magus thing.

Do you mean the Magus's ability to use their weapon in place of material components?

The dedication doesn't say anything about that that I see, but it's largely not necessary. Typically, spells have the same number of components as actions. Usually one-action (or less) spells have a verbal component, spells that are two actions have verbal and somatic, and three-action spells have all three.
Check to see if any of the spells you plan to use even have material components. Since you won't have that many spells, odds are good none of them do.

Magi and Wizards prepare their spells with their spellbook. You don't have to have it in-hand during the day while you're actually casting those spells at all--and you probably don't want to.


Graal Otonami wrote:

The issue we are having is the question of whether the Magus Dedication provides the same "weapon as implement" function as the Magus' Arcane Spellcasting Feat.

Not whether scrolls can be cast.

You are meaning this:

Quote:
Because you're a magus, you can draw replacement sigils with the tip of your weapon or your free hand for spells requiring material components, replacing them with somatic components instead of needing a material component pouch.

yes?

Yes, you can use a Thaumaturge Weapon Implement as a weapon to cast Magus spells.


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What do you mean "casting without a spellbook"?

The spellbook is used to prepare spells at the start of the day. It isn't involved in casting them at all.

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