Question regarding the timing of Hellknight qualification and leveling within PFS


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So, as we all know, one of the requirements of becoming a Hellknight is:

【The character must slay a devil with HD greater than his character level. This victory must be witnessed by a Hell Knight.】

And as expanded by the rulebook:

【Running a Hell Knight Test: The Hell Knight test requires each would-be Hell Knight to slay a devil whose Hit Dice exceed her own. Such a test is typically performed to fulfill the requirements of the Hell Knight or Hell Knight signifer prestige class, which many classes can access by 5th level. As such, 6-HD bearded devils are the fiends most commonly battled during the test (higher-level initiates must face higher-level devils). Those taking the test are allowed to carry into battle any weapons, armor, wands, potions, and other equipment they wish. Additionally, they may receive the benefits of allies’ magic, so long as it is cast prior to the test’s start. The ceremony preceding the test typically lasts over an hour, meaning that spells with a duration in minutes typically wear off before combat begins. During the test, should an armiger receive aid from outside the testing ring, she is disqualified and imprisoned (along with her conspirators). Such cheaters typically face a brief trial and execution.】

However, what is the 'exact timing' one would become a true Hellknight in the context of PFS, which calculates EXP meticulously? Is it when a character is at level 5 maxed exp and ready to level up into level 6, ask the GM from PFS to run a Hellknight test encounter, and if they emerge victorious they take all of the 1st level Hellknight stuff as their 6th level?

Or is it possible to take the test at the beginning of level 5 (but not have enough exp to level up just yet), emerge victorious, then however much time later they level up and become a Hellknight?

What happens if the character decides to *not* take the Hellknight level immediately? Like having passed the test at level 5, but taking Fighter 6 and planning to get Hellknight at level 7? What are the consequences? (Aside from being sneered at by your Hellknight peers for delaying) Would they still qualify, or would they need to retake the test at the new level?


Short answer: Whenever/Whatever you and the GM agree to....

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TxSam88 wrote:

Short answer: Whenever/Whatever you and the GM agree to....

That's not how PFS aka Organized Play work.


It doesn't matter, once you've qualified, you've qualified. Taking a level in a class is an abstract thing, killing a devil that is stronger than you is not (yes, HD are abstract, but the killing isn't). You could complete training at any point and finally gain smite chaos, and typically you will have already gotten training as an armiger (whether you're the fighter archetype or not) well before the test.

The text itself has no time limit, so why would actually gaining the class abilities?


They should be asking in the PFS forums if they want a PFS answer (hence why I've flagged it as being in the wrong forum).

As AD said, it doesn't matter when they do the test, as it only cares that they've slain a devil with HD greater than their own at some point in their career while being witnessed by a Hellknight.


Name Violation wrote:
TxSam88 wrote:

Short answer: Whenever/Whatever you and the GM agree to....

That's not how PFS aka Organized Play work.

Missed the PFS part, sorry. But as mentioned, it doesn't matter as long you meet the requirements. (Also PFS questions should be in the PFS forums)


Although I imagine it is very against the spirit of the test, technically nothing will stop a Fighter 1 from fulfilling the requirement by just owning a Lemure.


Slaying a devil is only one of the requirements to become a Hellknight. It seems to me that in order to take the test you have to meet the other requirements. Typically, a candidate for knighthood had to show he was worthy before any tests were allowed to be administered. That would prevent the fighter from taking the test at 1st level.

As long as the character can meet all the requirements, they should be able to be tested. Nothing says a character who takes the test for Hellknight has to actually take any levels in the prestige class. I see nothing that would prevent a character from joining the Hellknights without taking the class. They would get to call themselves a Hellknight and gain any social benefits from belonging to the organization but would not receive any class features.


There is a specific spell called infernal challenger, which summons a Barbazu just for this purpose.

I wonder to what degree you can meet this requirement without a formal test.

Like, simply defeating a Barbazu on your own, when you can actually prebuff, is much easier then during the test, which would remove most things other then mage armor (since heroism or barkskin do not last long enough).

Another question is at what distance the trial starts.


Mightypion wrote:
Another question is at what distance the trial starts.

Kinda doesn't matter, you can always 5ft step out of reach and then cast, and even though the barbazu has a reach weapon and claws, he can only be wielding and threatening with one off turn, leaving somewhere you can step to to cast.

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Hello QQinfinity --

Since this is a PFS question, here is the PFS answer. You need to purchase the ACP boon Secondary Initiation to be able to take the Hellknight Dedication. This is only a 2 point ACP boon, so you could buy it easily with the ACP boints you start out with as a Society character. The timing of when you take the dedication is up to you. After all, the Hell Knights as lawful characters will understand you have two obligations: one to the Society to which you swore an oath, and one to them.

Doug put together a good guide on Achievement Points - how to find them and spend them. If you have further questions, we're here to answer them.

I hope that this helps.
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The OP mentions HD which makes me think its for PFS1 not PFS2, so Secondary Initiation wouldn't help.

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For 1E, roleplaying requirements like that were hand waived. You could just take Hellknight if you meet the alignment and other mechanical restrictions.

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The OP's first quote is from the PF 1E Hellknight requirements. If this is a PFS question, then the official rule is:

Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild Guide Version 10.0 (page 19) wrote:


All roleplaying requirements for prestige classes, such as particular ceremonies or killing a devil, are waived in the Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild.

For a non-PFS game, I would say that this prereq works just like any other PrC requirement: You can take your first level in the class at any time that you gain a new level after fulfilling all the requirements. Many Hellknights have the luxury of scheduling a bout with a devil at their convenience, but as written, you could also fulfill the requirement "in the field," as long as a Hellknight witnessed the victory. Then you would just continue adventuring until you fulfilled any other outstanding prereqs, and reached a new level, at which point a Hellknight order would consider you ready to join their ranks.

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Oh, a PF1 question. My bad! I wish they would tell us what forum these threads transfer in from...

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Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:
Oh, a PF1 question. My bad! I wish they would tell us what forum these threads transfer in from...

came from PF1 Rules forum. Likely an old Guide or Cmpgn Clarifications would be helpful. There are several Scenarios that would work in Game. PPs and Vanities?


Sorry about posting in the wrong forum. But yes, its a question regardring PFS 1e. And thank you all for the answers so far.

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