Do Spell Cards count as Proof of Ownership? Should they?


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Shadow Lodge

Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Starfinder Superscriber

I'm considering buying some of the boxes of spell cards, but thinking about how I would use them, the most useful case seems to be traveling to cons, where I could only bring the cards I need rather than the entire book.

But looking at the Guide, it mentions needing to have the rulebook at the table, but doesn't mention spell cards, which presumably contain all the rule elements needed for the spells. Am I missing a reference somewhere that addresses this? Is this an oversight? Or is it intended that I should need to bring both.

Grand Lodge 4/5 * Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver

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The spell card decks are just an accessory to make it easier to reference the spell rules. They do not list other rules you may need at the table like feats, conditions, combat actions, etc...

So, yeah, you do need the Core Rulebook (and any other books that your PC is using for its build).

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pH: That's a really good question. I asked up the chain and was told that since they aren't listed as a source on the Character Options Page they don't count.

They do qualify for the "Rules Reference Promotional Perk"

OP Guide wrote:
Rules Reference: Character folio, reference or condition card deck, or similar published item with game reference material. Excludes published rulebooks or Adventures.
OP Guide wrote:
Rules Reference: Once per session, when you use Treat Wounds or another character uses Treat Wounds on you, the result of the check is one degree of success better than the result that was rolled.

I hadn't thought about this before but I think I'd like it to change though, they are an official Paizo publication of the spells etc and probably even easier to reference than the whole book.

Don't forget there are other ways to provide proof other than lugging the whole book around.

Using Options from Other Sources:
To use an option from any source other than those discussed above in Pathfinder Society play, you must bring any one of the following to your game table:

A physical copy of the book you wish to use
A name-watermarked PDF copy of the book
Name-watermarked printouts of all relevant pages you wish to use from the PDF
Access to the rules you wish to use in the form of either electronic access to the Pathfinder Reference Document (paizo.com/prd) or a photocopy of the relevant pages, along with proof of purchase, such as a receipt from a game store or a screenshot of your My Downloads page on paizo.com.
The following do not satisfy this requirement:

A photocopy of a physical book with no proof of purchase
Printouts from electronic character builders such as Hero Lab
Content reproduced in other sources under the Open Gaming License (such as an online reference document or a homemade omnibus)
In addition to the copy of the rules themselves, you must be able to provide a digital or physical copy of the below Additional Resources page for that source to show that the options you have selected for your character are legal for play.

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Yep, I only lug PDFs these days.

Hmm

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Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:

Yep, I only lug PDFs these days.

Hmm

Right? I'm bringing my computer for HeroLab, absolutely no reason to have a backpack full of physical books on top of that.

Wayfinders 4/5 5/55/55/55/5 *** Contributor

I do think though that the spell cards should count as a rules reference, but maybe they don't count because they are only for spells?

Grand Lodge 4/5 * Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver

Boons

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Boons are rewards that can be applied to a character. Common types of boons include Achievement Points (AcP), Chronicle, or Faction. Boons often have traits that describe how the boon applies. There are some boon traits that deserve specific mention:

Advanced: A boon with the Advanced trait is typically more powerful than other boons. Characters may only benefit from one advanced boon during an adventure.
Ally: A boon with the Ally trait sometimes places a Pawn. This does not allow players to bypass the limits on the number of Pawns they can play.

Unless a boon states otherwise, you can only apply one of any given boon to a character.

Promotional Boons
Promotional boons reward players who show their support for Paizo Organized Play by bringing and displaying visible merchandise and accessories.

The rules for these are summarized here, but are sourced from the Perks page of the Paizo web site. In case of a discrepancy, that page takes precedence.

ACCESSORY CATEGORIES
Accessories are divided into five categories, as described below. Any qualifying accessory must be either a) produced by Paizo, Inc and sold on its webstore, or b) produced by a licensed partner of Paizo, Inc and visibly promote Paizo, Pathfinder, Starfinder or any associated games or Paizo intellectual property.

Event organizers are permitted and encouraged to expand the definition to include merchandise that directly promotes particular conventions at said events; e.g. permitting a Gen Con t-shirt or pin to count for their respective categories while at Gen Con. Merchandise that exclusively promotes other companies or intellectual properties (e.g. a Roll20 t-shirt with no Paizo branding) never qualifies for these benefits.

Vestments: T-shirts, messenger bags/backpacks, jackets or hoodies, or similar apparel; permanent tattoos of Paizo-related iconography; or cosplay of a Paizo-related character, such as an iconic character, NPC or similar.

Worn Accessory: Lapel pin or button, hat or ballcap, lanyard, or similar small worn accessory.

Rules Reference: Character folio, reference or condition card deck, or similar published item with game reference material. Excludes published rulebooks or Adventures.

Other Item: Any other qualifying item such as officially produced dice, keychains, plush characters, or other merchandise brought to the table.

Campaign Service Coin: an award given out to exemplary volunteers; a Campaign Service Coin cannot qualify for any other category and instead offers its own benefits.

Apparently, if Ph Unbalanced brings the spell deck to the game, they are entitled to the...

Rules Reference boon: Once per session, when you use Treat Wounds or another character uses Treat Wounds on you, the result of the check is one degree of success better than the result that was rolled.

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Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:
I do think though that the spell cards should count as a rules reference, but maybe they don't count because they are only for spells?

They count as a Rules Reference for "Accessory Perks" Boons.

They do not count as Proof of Ownership.
The have not been defined as counting as "A copy of the rules" for the spell (the prd, the page from the rule book, a print out of the page, or a copy of the page.)

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Whether they *should* count as "a copy of the rules" is a decision for leadership and would probably require a very time intensive review to make sure that they contain the full rules of every spell, and do not summarize. (As well as needing a guarantee that *all* future spell cards will *also* fully reproduce the rules for all spells, ever...)

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