Getting Floating Disk on your spell list?

[Lemartes]

How can I get Floating Disk on an Oracle's or Witch's spell list?

For Witch no Samsaran.

I want to use the Magic Trick feat for Floating Disk.

Oracle:
Mystery: Intrigue, Curse: Deep One

Witch:
Patron: Probably Decay
Then go into Bloatmage Prestige Class.

I am aware that these are probably not very optimized builds. I am fine with that. :)

Thanks for any help! :)

[VoodistMonk]

An Oracle is a divine caster, and thus can take Dreamed Secrets.

[Lemartes]

Hmm...wasn't that FAQ'D into uselessness?

However, that is a possible idea. :)

[VoodistMonk]

Lemartes wrote:

Hmm...wasn't that FAQ'D into uselessness?

However, that is a possible idea. :)

I don't know [or care], as I will gladly ignore any and every errata/FAQ that makes something worse than it was before. I do not ever go out of my way to check if something has been errata/FAQ'ed into uselessness... I just use whatever version is mechanically superior. I find it best to balance upwards, rather than downwards... if something is too powerful, make everything else around it better... don't make it worse to match the trash around it.

So, yeah, I am the wrong guy to ask about errata/FAQ... because I do not follow, pay attention to, or abide by such things [errata/FAQ] if they in any way make something worse than it was.

[zza ni]

nah, i believe the faq was for spirit guide or something like that that added spells to what one can prepare but not spells known or something.

the feat talk about spontaneous casters so it works. only problem is it's only available at level 14+ as you need 7th level spell casting.

lore oracle can 1/day cast a wizard spell using a higher level spell slot from a spellbook containing said spell ,but it erese the spell from the book. and minimum level 11 to get this revolution.

a dragon mystery oracle can use dragon magic revolution to 1/day cast 1 (or 2 different spells) from the wizard spells as spell like ability. (can get it from level 6 if one spell or 8 if 2) at level 11 he can do so twice per day.

a cleric with the trade subdomain get it as a domain spell at 1st level.
so 5 levels of exalted to a god with that subdomain can grant you that domain as the 5th level ability of expanded portfolio (which beside getting the domain as a cleric of your exalted level can also cast the domain spells as spell like abilities so you get to cast it as domain spell and as sla)

Apsu grant it 3/day as a spell like abilities to his evangelists (or people with the right feats to gain his evangelist's sla)

the evangelist of Apsu will let you get most of your class abilities -1 while going evangelist (and if you take prestige spell caster feat not even lose spell casting abilities) while the Exalted method will delay your class abilities (beside spell casting) by at least 5 levels but as you will gain the spell as a spell you can cast will let you also cast it via scrolls and wands etc without using umd.

[VoodistMonk]

Dreamed Secrets requires Caster Level 7, not 7th-level spells. You could take it at level 7... assuming you have what it takes to consistently pass the DC 20 Will save, or you're taking some Wisdom damage every time you cast it.

[Arkham Joker]

James Jacobs himself wrote the feat and technically it was PFS legal.... where the car crash occurred was that the PFS lot decided for unknown reasons (I read somewhere that they thought they were too weird or something?!) that GOO/OG worship was illegal.

Go figure.

[zza ni]

oh that is more to do with pfs not allowing evil characters or something. no?

(i never played pfs but i seem to recall them taking out most evil things)

[Ryze Kuja]

Dreamed Secrets is easily your best option tbh. As an added bonus, you get a 2nd Sorc/Wiz spell per day, and you can change these spells every day when you prepare. I wouldn't even worry about the Wis damage tbh, you have Lesser Restoration.

Lesser options would be dipping in Magus, Psychic, Arcanist, Sorc, Wiz, or any domain-class like Cleric that has access to the Trade Domain. If you're playing with VMC rules, you could VMC a Cleric and take the Trade domain and have Floating Disk as early as level 3.

[Lemartes]

Thanks all muc appreciated. :)

I think I figured it out.

Spirit Guide Oracle take Lore Spirt and Arcane Enlightenment hex which allows some wizard spells. Oddly enough the amount is now tied to wisdom rather than charisma as per the Spirit Guide archetype.

Then I can take whatever Mystery I want.

Any errors here?

[zza ni]

Lemartes wrote:

Thanks all muc appreciated. :)

I think I figured it out.

Spirit Guide Oracle take Lore Spirt and Arcane Enlightenment hex which allows some wizard spells. Oddly enough the amount is now tied to wisdom rather than charisma as per the Spirit Guide archetype.

Then I can take whatever Mystery I want.

Any errors here?

yep there is one.

that is the exact thing the faq i linked above which say that it won't work for oracles.
the feat should works (except in pfs games) but the spirit guide doesn't work anywhere.

"Spirit Guide Oracle: What happens if a spirit guide oracle gains the arcane enlightenment hex, which adds spells “to the list of shaman spells she can prepare?”
An oracle doesn’t prepare spells, so that particular hex isn’t useful for her."

[Lemartes]

I did not look at that FAQ. Aww...

Thanks for pointing that out. :)

[Lemartes]

VMC cleric with trade domain doesn't work as VMC cleric doesn't grant domain spells.

[zza ni]

that is why i pointed to the exalted prestige class which grant a domain at an effective cleric level of the prestige class (so max domain spells and abilities as a level 10 cleric, unless you combine with normal cleric levels) but since the domain spells are part of the domain ability you gain both the domain power and spells. the prestige class also give the domain spells as spell like abilities beside the domain ability.

some tried to say that this ability doesn't give domain spells if you do not get it as a cleric since it call out :
"At 5th level, the exalted further increases her already impressive knowledge of her chosen deity’s faith and is rewarded with increased powers in one of the spheres over which her deity holds sway. The exalted chooses a domain of her chosen deity to which she gains access, using her exalted level as her effective cleric level.

The exalted can also can use each of the chosen domain’s spells once per day as a spell-like ability, with a caster level equal to her exalted level. The exalted can use each spell-like ability only if she is able to cast divine spells of that level. If the exalted has any domain spell slots, she is also able to cast the chosen domain’s spells in those slots as normal. "

which would indicate that without domain spell slots the exalted can't cast he domain spells. only problem with this is that the domain spell slots are ONLY LISTED in the domain class ability that this ability grant.
the way i see it. a non cleric would only get domain spells up to 5th level at 9th level of exalted. he would be able to cast the domain spells as spell like abilities up to the spell level he can cast (so if he can cast 9th level spells he get up to the 9th level domain spells as sla). a cleric who get a domain and pick his domain as exalted would have up to 9th level domain spells to prepare from said domain.

[Lemartes]

Not interested in the Exalted.

I think Dragon Mystery works. :)

Thanks.

[Ellioti]

for Oracle, Ancient Lorekeeper works as always.

Loremaster PC always works, but is ridiculous to qualify. Pathfinder Savant if you really wanted to loose a spellcaster level.

Personally, I'd just build an Evangelist of Apsu.

[Lemartes]

I will look into that thanks.

I forgot to mention evil pc. Doh!