Walls discrepancy


Kineticist Class


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Celestial Palisade 3 actions Overflow (Wall of wind)

Lvl 8, so 3 lvls after casters have access to it

Rock Rampart 2 actions (Wall of Stone)

Lvl 12, so 3 lvls after casters have access to it... but why the heck it's less actions and no overflow? That does not look very fair, it's already the best wall, make it 3 actions and overflow as well.

Architect of Flame 3 actions Overflow (Wall of fire)

Lvl 12, 5 lvls after casters have access to it... so it should have been lvl 10 to keep with the 3 lvls pattern.

Barrier of Boreal Frost 3 actions Overflow (Wall of Ice)

Lvl 14, 5 lvls after casters have access to it... so it should have been lvl 12 to keep with the 3 lvls pattern.


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Kyrone wrote:

Celestial Palisade 3 actions Overflow (Wall of wind)

Lvl 8, so 3 lvls after casters have access to it

Rock Rampart 2 actions (Wall of Stone)

Lvl 12, so 3 lvls after casters have access to it... but why the heck it's less actions and no overflow? That does not look very fair, it's already the best wall, make it 3 actions and overflow as well.

Architect of Flame 3 actions Overflow (Wall of fire)

Lvl 12, 5 lvls after casters have access to it... so it should have been lvl 10 to keep with the 3 lvls pattern.

Barrier of Boreal Frost 3 actions Overflow (Wall of Ice)

Lvl 14, 5 lvls after casters have access to it... so it should have been lvl 12 to keep with the 3 lvls pattern.

I think that, regardless of level, all of them should either be 2 actions + sustain and overflow or 3 actions + overflow. They should also be on par with a top heightened version of the spell even if you get them later than casters, the action cost is huge, specially if you need the sustain.


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Given that they literally do the exact same thing I see no reason why they are spending 4x the page space to just say the exact thing with slightly different wording.

Just say Elemental Wall 2 action + sustain, You can create a 30 ft wall of elements that provides cover or whatever. If you want it to have flavorful part for the element just add a line that tells you how the wall changes for each element and be done with it.

There you would have save a bunch of space to add other abilities.


Temperans wrote:

Given that they literally do the exact same thing I see no reason why they are spending 4x the page space to just say the exact thing with slightly different wording.

Just say Elemental Wall 2 action + sustain, You can create a 30 ft wall of elements that provides cover or whatever. If you want it to have flavorful part for the element just add a line that tells you how the wall changes for each element and be done with it.

There you would have save a bunch of space to add other abilities.

Probably becouse wall of wind and wall of fire are much lower level spells, at it would suck to get them at the same time as wall of stone and wall of ice.

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