MCU Phases 5 & 6


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So, new from SDCC.

Phase 4 ends with the new Black Panther movie. Good riddance.

Phase 5 apparently starts with the next Ant-Man movie. Looking at the list, there’s only four things that really interest me: Ant-Man, GotG Vol 3, Blade, and Daredevil. Maybe the Captain America movie, but that will largely depend on the overall plot and the villain.

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania - Feb. 17, 2023
Secret Invasion (Disney+) - Spring 2023
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 - May 5, 2023
Echo (Disney+) - Summer 2023
Loki Season 2 (Disney+) - Summer 2023
The Marvels - July 28, 2023
Blade - Nov. 3, 2023
Ironheart (Disney+) - Fall 2023
Agatha: Coven of Chaos (Disney+) - Winter 2023/24
Daredevil: Born Again (Disney+) - Spring 2024
Captain America: New World Order - May 3, 2024
Thunderbolts - July 18, 2024

Then Phase 6 kicks off with Fantastic Four. They’ve also apparently announced this next big story as The Multiverse Saga. Again, I’m cautiously pessimistic. My enthusiasm for FF will largely depend on casting, whether they included Doom, and whether they finally get him right this time. The Avengers movies I’m truly iffy on. It’ll depend on who’s in the line-up, as I find some of the potential team members to be less than compelling.

Fantastic Four - Nov. 8, 2024
Avengers: The Kang Dynasty - May 2, 2025
Avengers: Secret Wars - May 7, 2025

I did notice a distinct lack of mention about Spider-Man and Doctor Strange, still two of the best characters they have left in the MCU. I find that disappointing.


Phase 4

She-Hulk: Attorney at Law - Season 1 (17 August 2022)
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (11 November 2022)

Phase 5

The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special (December 2022)
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (17 February 2023)
Secret Invasion (Spring 2023)
Guardians of the Galaxy: Volume 3 (5 May 2023)
Echo - Season 1 (Summer 2023)
The Marvels (28 July 2023)
Loki - Season 2 (Summer 2023)
Blade (3 November 2023)
Ironheart - Season 1 (Autumn 2023)
Agatha: Coven of Chaos (Winter 2023)
Captain America: New World Order (3 May 2024)
Daredevil: Born Again - Season 1 (Spring 2024)
Thunderbolts (26 July 2024)

Phase 6

tbc (autumn 2024)
Fantastic Four (8 November 2024)
tbc (autumn 2024)
tbc (winter 2024)
tbc (winter 2024)
tbc (spring 2025)
Avengers: The Kang Dynasty (2 May 2025)
tbc (spring 2025)
tbc (summer 2025)
tbc (summer 2025)
Avengers: Secret Wars (7 November 2025)

So far confirmed(ish) but undated, so likely to fill up some of the above slots: Deadpool 3, Shang-Chi 2, Thor 5, Spider-Man 4

Unconfirmed but likely(ish) to happen: Hawkeye Season 2, Moon Knight Season 2, Ms. Marvel Season 2, Black Panther 3, Eternals 2, Black Knight project (which could be Blade, Eternals 2 or his own thing), Dr. Strange 3


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I'm aware that this question seems sort of troll-ish, and if you think so, I apologize, but...

Is anyone else kind of burnt out on MCU movies? I recognized that I was burnt out on them by the time Endgame came around, but I still wanted to see the end of that story arc. But the constant movies and tv shows, a good chunk of which are just seeding future movies and tv shows, and the apparent decline of quality in the writing... I just can't get excited about another 20+ releases over the next two years of more of the same after 14 years of MCU titles.

I'm just wondering if anyone else is ready to move on from MCU stuff like I am.

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I'm surprised so many articles and reports ignored the tbc holes in the schedule - since Disney has confirmed dates for MCU movies....including a few in 2026 for Phase 7 films.

I'm pretty sure there's a Feb/Mar 2024 date without a film attached yet as part of phase 5 as well.

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Andostre wrote:
I'm just wondering if anyone else is ready to move on from MCU stuff like I am.

Nah, you're not alone at all, I stopped watching MCU stuff after Iron Man 3 only to return to watch Dr. Strange and the GotG movies as I realized it was going to just grow endlessly given that its part of the Disney Infinite Money Glitch entertainment empire of spin-offs, sequels, toys, and merch.

I never engaged with the whole Thanos stuff despite how insanely huge and hyped it was because I saw the writing on the wall that Marvel was just going to keep chugging this stuff out to sell toys, clothes, and license the properties to anyone and everyone with a fat enough wallet so to me, it feels like there is no artistic integrity left in the Marvel stuff at all, it's just shill bait to get kids to buy junk. Blech!

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Aberzombie wrote:

So, new from SDCC.

Phase 4 ends with the new Black Panther movie. Good riddance.

Phase 5 apparently starts with the next Ant-Man movie. Looking at the list, there’s only four things that really interest me: Ant-Man, GotG Vol 3, Blade, and Daredevil. Maybe the Captain America movie, but that will largely depend on the overall plot and the villain.

Too Much. Too Fast. :(

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Andostre wrote:

I'm aware that this question seems sort of troll-ish, and if you think so, I apologize, but...

Is anyone else kind of burnt out on MCU movies? I recognized that I was burnt out on them by the time Endgame came around, but I still wanted to see the end of that story arc. But the constant movies and tv shows, a good chunk of which are just seeding future movies and tv shows, and the apparent decline of quality in the writing... I just can't get excited about another 20+ releases over the next two years of more of the same after 14 years of MCU titles.

I'm just wondering if anyone else is ready to move on from MCU stuff like I am.

Not at all. I’m actually quite excited about the next few years worth of MCU content.

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JoelF847 wrote:

I'm surprised so many articles and reports ignored the tbc holes in the schedule - since Disney has confirmed dates for MCU movies....including a few in 2026 for Phase 7 films.

I'm pretty sure there's a Feb/Mar 2024 date without a film attached yet as part of phase 5 as well.

Yep, pretty sure those will get filled in next month at D23!

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Themetricsystem wrote:
Andostre wrote:
I'm just wondering if anyone else is ready to move on from MCU stuff like I am.

Nah, you're not alone at all, I stopped watching MCU stuff after Iron Man 3 only to return to watch Dr. Strange and the GotG movies as I realized it was going to just grow endlessly given that its part of the Disney Infinite Money Glitch entertainment empire of spin-offs, sequels, toys, and merch.

I never engaged with the whole Thanos stuff despite how insanely huge and hyped it was because I saw the writing on the wall that Marvel was just going to keep chugging this stuff out to sell toys, clothes, and license the properties to anyone and everyone with a fat enough wallet so to me, it feels like there is no artistic integrity left in the Marvel stuff at all, it's just shill bait to get kids to buy junk. Blech!

Wow … that’s quite a negative and pessimistic take …

I certainly respect your opinion, but it’s definitely one I don’t share!


I don't share it at all, especially given the trailers we got for BP 2 (YAY!!! Namor! and the feels!) and She-hulk.

Also, Fables comics suck.


Andostre wrote:
Is anyone else kind of burnt out on MCU movies?

Far from it. I haven't finished a Marvel show since Wandavision and even that was pushing it, some of them I haven't even tried. I may watch a bit more Ms Marvel but that's only because Kamala is so damn adorable. We haven't watched a Marvel movie since BW and that was only because we wanted to support more female solo movies.

Not burnt out on DC yet, for some reason.

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Andostre wrote:

I'm aware that this question seems sort of troll-ish, and if you think so, I apologize, but...

Is anyone else kind of burnt out on MCU movies? I recognized that I was burnt out on them by the time Endgame came around, but I still wanted to see the end of that story arc. But the constant movies and tv shows, a good chunk of which are just seeding future movies and tv shows, and the apparent decline of quality in the writing... I just can't get excited about another 20+ releases over the next two years of more of the same after 14 years of MCU titles.

I'm just wondering if anyone else is ready to move on from MCU stuff like I am.

Yeah, you’re not completely alone. I certainly am a bit burned out thanks to Phase 4, which has been very hit and miss for me. That said, as a life-long comics fan, I’m not quite ready to completely give up, but I’m starting to avoid the more obvious crap (which I hear applies to the new Thor movie), and stuff definitely not aimed at me (like the Marvel show). And there’s far less upcoming stuff I’m interested in seeing.

What’s more telling for me is rewatch value. I still enjoy watching most Phase 1-3 MCU films (with a few exceptions, like the s+*@ show that was Ironman 3, or Captain Marvel). With the Phase 4 movie and TV shows, I’ve rewatched approximately one (Spider-Man: No Way Home), and currently have no desire to ever watch the rest ever again. Also, this is the first Phase where I’ve actually skipped movies (Black Widow and Thor 4, so far), or wish that I had skipped them (Eternals).

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Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:

Not burnt out on DC yet, for some reason.

Despite the horrid mess that some of those DC movies have been, I’m also not completely burned out on them. The Batman was great (I’ve seen it four times now). The new Shazam and Black Adam movies look interesting (maybe not enough to see them in a theater, but I’ll definitely streaming watch them).


I dunno if I'll stream either, but one of those I will see in theaters. (Probably Black Adam since I'm a huge Doctor Fate fan.)

Also a man that thinks fables is the bomb has no soul and thus should not count his opinion. The end.

Scarab Sages

Kevin Feige Answers Ryan Gosling’s Call to Play Ghost Rider: ‘I’d Love to Find a Place For Him in the MCU’

Interesting. From everything I’ve heard, Gosling is a great actor. And he’s younger than the other odds on favorite (at least in some quarters), Norman Reedus, by about 12 years. Not that younger means much anymore.

Still, I think Reedus would be more willing to play the character long-term. Either way, though, I’m glad to see so much interest in one of my favorite super hero characters.


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Aberzombie wrote:

Kevin Feige Answers Ryan Gosling’s Call to Play Ghost Rider: ‘I’d Love to Find a Place For Him in the MCU’

Interesting. From everything I’ve heard, Gosling is a great actor. And he’s younger than the other odds on favorite (at least in some quarters), Norman Reedus, by about 12 years. Not that younger means much anymore.

Still, I think Reedus would be more willing to play the character long-term. Either way, though, I’m glad to see so much interest in one of my favorite super hero characters.

Nick Cage cameo though? Maybe? C'monnnnn… you GOTTA give him one...

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Mark Hoover 330 wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:

Kevin Feige Answers Ryan Gosling’s Call to Play Ghost Rider: ‘I’d Love to Find a Place For Him in the MCU’

Interesting. From everything I’ve heard, Gosling is a great actor. And he’s younger than the other odds on favorite (at least in some quarters), Norman Reedus, by about 12 years. Not that younger means much anymore.

Still, I think Reedus would be more willing to play the character long-term. Either way, though, I’m glad to see so much interest in one of my favorite super hero characters.

Nick Cage cameo though? Maybe? C'monnnnn… you GOTTA give him one...

Maybe he could play Crash Simpson in a flashback?

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‘Avengers: The Kang Dynasty’ Lands ‘Shang-Chi’ Director Destin Daniel Cretton

I’m slightly more discouraged than not about this news. Shang-Chi wasn’t horrible, but I thought it could have been a lot better. That might not entirely be Cretton’s fault, though.


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One problem they keep having, especially with the first movies for a director, is the director coming on board to find the movie already storyboarded out for them. It prevents the director from having as much input as they'd like. For the sequels that's less of a problem as the director is right on board from the start of the process. Although it can also backfire: Ragnarok wasn't full 100% Taika Waititi as he came onboard during the writing and storyboarding process, but Love & Thunder is 150% Waititi and I think that actually hurt the movie.

The only director who avoided that fate in their first film for the MCU is Sam Raimi, who had enough creative respect and power to simply come in and say, "We're not doing that, we're doing this my way," resulting in the most visually distinctive Marvel movie to date (although perhaps a little familiar to anyone who's watched the Evil Dead movies and TV show).

Shang-Chi I think was a really solid movie with good direction up until the final act, when it devolved a little into Standard MCU CGI Slugfest. I think Cretton can maybe take ownership of that a bit more going into his next movie. I'd be more concerned about him having to squeeze out Shang-Chi 2 (which is confirmed and already in development) and Avengers 5 back-to-back, but the Russos did pump out Winter Soldier-Civil War-Infinity War at two-year intervals, and shot Infinity War and Endgame back to back, so it is possible (if chronically exhausting).

As for Marvel Franchise Fatigue, yeah, I think there's a danger of that. I do think not having any Marvel product at all in 2020 did create a bit more of an appetite for it, but the films that came out afterwards (the underwhelming Black Widow, the okay-but-underdeveloped Eternals and the good but not great Shang-Chi) didn't exactly set the world on fire.I really liked Dr. Strange 2 but it was a marmitey film overall, and Love & Thunder was far, far too comedic to really make its dramatic scenes work.

If I was Kevin Feige I'd seriously be considering retiring after Secret Wars (he'd have been working on the MCU project for around twenty years at that point) and letting a new team take over, maybe with a ~3 year break becoming coming back with any new TV show or movie. You have to create the appetite and demand for a franchise rather than just assume it will always be there, especially with little kids now who see the 14-year-old MCU as being old-hat and dated.

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Oh man, I would be truly sad if Kevin Feige stepped away from Marvel!!!

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I think he should start working on a good protegee now, so that when he does retire, MCU will be in good hands.


I'm with Joel. We have had changes in the comic editorial boards for some times. Just have Feige groom someone else. Also, less concerned with Cretton running Secret Wars and/or Kang Dynasty. But I do agree with Wert that they needed better script doctors for Love and Thunder. (Gorr was too pansy and that's a bad thing.)

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