Dimensional Slide Questions

[Julien Dien]

Dimensional Slide wrote:

The arcanist can expend 1 point from her arcane reservoir to create a dimensional crack that she can step through to reach another location. This ability is used as part of a move action or withdraw action, allowing her to move up to 10 feet per arcanist level to any location she can see. This counts as 5 feet of movement. She can only use this ability once per round. She does not provoke attacks of opportunity when moving in this way, but any other movement she attempts as part of her move action provokes as normal.

1, "Dimensional Slide does not provoke AoO". It is include or exclude the starting square? When a creature within an enemy's threaten area use Dimensional Slide to get away, will she provoke AoO?

2, When sb. is grappled or entangled in ground, can she use Dimensional Slide to get away?

[Kurald Galain]

(1) leaving the starting square doesn't provoke.

(2) expect table variation, but since the ability states that you make a crack and step through, that suggests that if you can't step through (due to being grappled or entangled) then the ability doesn't work.

[Diego Rossi]

1) What provokes is moving more than 5'. You leaving the starting square or the fifth in your path doesn't make a difference.
Leaving your starting square, by itself doesn't provoke.
If you open the crack and the only movement you take is to slide through it, you have expended 5' of your movement and those 5' don't provoke.

Note that you haven't taken a 5' step, you have used a move or withdraw action and used only 5' of movement while moving up to 10'xyour Arcanist level.
You can still move what is left of your normal movement (move action) or double normal movement (withdraw action), but that movement provokes normally.

2) "This counts as 5 feet of movement."

2a) Grappled:
Do you have a way to move 5' while grappled? If not, you can't move using Dimensional Slide.

2b) Entangled:
"Being entangled impedes movement, but does not entirely prevent it unless the bonds are anchored to an immobile object or tethered by an opposing force."
If the bonds are anchored you can't move from your spot, so you can't use Dimensional Slide.
If the bonds aren't anchored, you can move, so you can use Dimensional slide. Your movement is still halved*, so you have less movement to spend when you exit on the other side of the crack.

*Halved movement: RAW the effect lasts for the whole move/withdraw action you are taking, even if the first 5' remove the condition. In my experience, most GMs will have the movement you take cost x2 while you are entangled and return to normal as soon as you lose the condition.

[willuwontu]

Dimensional Slide wrote:

The arcanist can expend 1 point from her arcane reservoir to create a dimensional crack that she can step through to reach another location. This ability is used as part of a move action or withdraw action, allowing her to move up to 10 feet per arcanist level to any location she can see. This counts as 5 feet of movement. She can only use this ability once per round. She does not provoke attacks of opportunity when moving in this way, but any other movement she attempts as part of her move action provokes as normal.

1. Normally you provoke when leaving a square, dimensional slide makes it so you don't provoke when leaving.

Quote:

Grappled: A grappled creature is restrained by a creature, trap, or effect. Grappled creatures cannot move and take a –4 penalty to Dexterity.

2. You can't move when grappled. Since dimensional slide is made as part of a move/withdraw action, it cannot be used.

[Azothath]

well, let us say you can't move unless you make a save versus the spell/condition (may require an action) THEN you can move(take a 5ft step, see Tactical Movement) and Dimensional Slide.

[Diego Rossi]

Azothath wrote:

well, let us say you can't move unless you make a save versus the spell/condition (may require an action) THEN you can move(take a 5ft step, see Tactical Movement) and Dimensional Slide.

Very clearly against the rules.

Dmensional slide counts as 5' of movement and is taken "as part of a move action or withdraw action". You can't take a move action or withdraw action if you have taken a 5' step.

[Kurald Galain]

Azothath wrote:

well, let us say you can't move unless you make a save versus the spell/condition (may require an action) THEN you can move(take a 5ft step, see Tactical Movement) and Dimensional Slide.

This is almost correct. If you take a standard action to remove the condition (e.g. an escape artist check, or using a spell or SLA to free yourself), then you can take a move action to use Dimensional Slide.

[Azothath]

Kurald Galain wrote:

Azothath wrote:

well, let us say you can't move unless you make a save versus the spell/condition (may require an action) THEN you can move(take a 5ft step, see Tactical Movement) and Dimensional Slide.

This is almost correct. If you take a standard action to remove the condition (e.g. an escape artist check, or using a spell or SLA to free yourself), then you can take a move action to use Dimensional Slide.

thanks for the commentary. On the second reply we got a specific example to prove my point. Grapple and entangle are common conditions where loss of movement occurs (why I referenced Tactical Movement).

Entangle T1 where the save is a move action (including the Escape Artist check).
Tanglefoot Bag where your buddy can douse you with universal solvent so you don't spend an action OR you can scrape it off or attack it which could take a bit.

There are various times given the situation and how the loss of movement state is applied (be it grappled, entangled, etc), thus I gave an open amount of time in a general answer as it depends on the situation.