1+ weapons and spellstrike

[HumbleGamer]

Couldn't find the discussion here on this forum ( though I have reminiscence it has already been discussed ) or any other forum, so I have to ask it again since I can't remember the outcome and the reasons behind it.

Is a starlit span magus forbidden to spellstrike from a scroll while using a 1+ weapon ( any bow ) or not?

[Onkonk]

I'm not sure you could do it at all without Stiker's Scroll. I think the Cast a Spell part of activating a scroll is a subordinate action to the Activate an Item activity.

[HumbleGamer]

I thought about activate an item, but it seems it explicitly refers to invested items ( items with the invested trait which are currently invested ).

This would mean that consumables are not meant to be used with the activate an item action, in contrast with stuff like boots of speed, bracekets if dashing.

My doubts mostly concerns this part

Quote:

You Cast a Spell that takes 1 or 2 actions to cast and requires a spell attack roll. The effects of the spell don't occur immediately but are imbued into your attack instead. Make a melee Strike with a weapon or unarmed attack. Your spell is coupled with your attack, using your attack roll result to determine the effects of both the Strike and the spell.

amd howsthe order of the actions ( first you cast, making your attack imbued with the power of the spell, then you strike ) occurs.

So I guess that one handed weapons ( regardless the fact they are ranged, thrown, or melee ) are available for the spellstrike through scrolls ( given the fact items without the invested traits don't follow the "activate an item" mechanics ), while 1+ weapons would depends on "when" the attack occurs.

[Onkonk]

The requirement in Activate an Item is if you have invested in an item. To activate any item you need to use Activate an Item.

[HumbleGamer]

Onkonk wrote:

The requirement in Activate an Item is if you have invested in an item. To activate any item you need to use Activate an Item.

Found that part, thanks!

It seems settled then.

[Xethik]

I believe you can use a scroll, staff, or any other Cast a Spell activation item with spellstrike - even without a special feat like Striker's Scroll or Fused Staff. It seems that activating the item is identical to casting the spell for them, as metamagic is known to work (in the staff rules) as well as the wording of feats like Striker's Scroll and Fused Staff.

[beowulf99]

I tend to agree with Xethik here. Spellhearts are commonly believed to work with Spellstrike, so why wouldn't a scroll?

I would say that spells from invested items that don't use "Cast a Spell" as their activation would not count however. Things like Mattock of the Titan replicating Earthquake or Final Rest casting Sunburst.

Basically, casting a spell is casting a spell, whether that casting is done to activate an item or not.

[Onkonk]

Xethik wrote:

I believe you can use a scroll, staff, or any other Cast a Spell activation item with spellstrike - even without a special feat like Striker's Scroll or Fused Staff. It seems that activating the item is identical to casting the spell for them, as metamagic is known to work (in the staff rules) as well as the wording of feats like Striker's Scroll and Fused Staff.

Interesting find on the staff rules, maybe Activate an Item is not a real activity then.

[Xethik]

Onkonk wrote:

Xethik wrote:

I believe you can use a scroll, staff, or any other Cast a Spell activation item with spellstrike - even without a special feat like Striker's Scroll or Fused Staff. It seems that activating the item is identical to casting the spell for them, as metamagic is known to work (in the staff rules) as well as the wording of feats like Striker's Scroll and Fused Staff.

Interesting find on the staff rules, maybe Activate an Item is not a real activity then.

Yeah, it's weird. It feels like it should be a wrapper activity with Cast a Spell as a subordinate, but that is really weird given Cast a Spell's extremely variable action usage. I believe that it should be treated that you are simply Casting a Spell - but not from a spell slot - given how it interacts with metamagic and other modifications. But it could be made more clear for certain.