Opprotune Parry and Riposte deed question


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So unlike other swashbuckler deeds I do not see any sort of indicator in Opprotune Parry and Riposte that says you have to be using a light or one handed piercing melee weapon for this deed. If I'm wielding a ranged weapon (lets say a pistol) with which I can make AOOs via snap shot could I parry with it? Can I riposte? Am I missing something?

Rules as intended I would understand a DM ruling no but rules as written I'd say yes. Thoughts?


it seems like it would work, it would be less effective as you want to crit so you get panache back so using a gun which is 20/x4 is much worse than a rapier or kukri. but yes it seems fine from my reading.


RAW it seems like it would work, normally you could not, but the Snap Shot seems to be the deciding factor.


Yeah I thought about a Swashbuckler dip on a Falchion-wielding Paladin a few years ago. He never would have been able to regain Panache (because Falchions are not 1-handed), but he would have had 5 Parry/Riposte's per day with a Falchion. Honestly that's not terrible.

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Opportune Parry and Riposte (Ex) (Advanced Class Guide pg. 57): At 1st level, when an opponent makes a melee attack against the swashbuckler, she can spend 1 panache point and expend a use of an attack of opportunity to attempt to parry that attack. The swashbuckler makes an attack roll as if she were making an attack of opportunity (fist attack); for each size category the attacking creature is larger than the swashbuckler, the swashbuckler takes a –2 penalty on this roll. If her result is greater than the attacking creature’s result, the creature’s attack automatically misses. The swashbuckler must declare the use of this ability after the creature’s attack is announced, but before its attack roll is made. Upon performing a successful parry and if she has at least 1 panache point, the swashbuckler can as an immediate action make an attack (secondattack) against the creature whose attack she parried, provided that creature is within her reach. This deed's cost cannot be reduced by any ability or effect that reduces the number of panache points a deed costs.

You need a Double-barreled pistol, as you need to perform 2 attacks.

And you provoke every time you fire your pistol in melee range.


MrCharisma wrote:
Yeah I thought about a Swashbuckler dip on a Falchion-wielding Paladin a few years ago. He never would have been able to regain Panache (because Falchions are not 1-handed), but he would have had 5 Parry/Riposte's per day with a Falchion. Honestly that's not terrible.

Assuming you return to this concept and your feat economy allows it (and the Virtuous Bravo archetype doesn't interest you), you might consider an estoc.


Phoebus Alexandros wrote:
Assuming you return to this concept and your feat economy allows it (and the Virtuous Bravo archetype doesn't interest you), you might consider an estoc.

Yeah if I try it again I'll probably make something from the beginning that uses Swashbuckler deeds. There are definitely better ways to do it than just tacking on a level of Swashbuckler, it was just something I thought of mid-campaign (and is relevant because it was when I noticed that Opportune Parry doesn't need a Swashbuckler weapon).


Diego Rossi wrote:

You need a Double-barreled pistol, as you need to perform 2 attacks.

And you provoke every time you fire your pistol in melee range.

If you can reload as a free action then you don't need a Double Barreled Pistol, as reloading becomes a part of the attack. I'll have to check the rules on this but I'm 99% sure. EDIT: Yup, HERE'S THE FAQ.

Also with Snap Shot your AoOs Don't provoke, so you could parry just fine. This one's 100% since it's in the Snap Shot description. The Immediate action Riposte would probably provoke though (so get Point Blank Master or whatever it's called).

EDIT: Although I forgot that reloading a firearm also provokes AoOs, so yeah you would still provoke from that. This would be solved by having a DB-Pistol, and I guess would be irrelevant if you only make 1 Parry (and no Riposte) during the round since you wouldn't need to reload unless you're taking a 2nd shot.

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