Feysworn Prestige Class and Summon Fey 2 feat - usable at which level?


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Hi all,

I am confused about the "Summon Fey" class feature the Feysworn gets at 8th Prestige Class level.

Realms of the Fey wrote:
Summon Fey (Sp): At 4th level, a feysworn can use summon monster IV once per day to conjure 1 ekekeh (see page 60) or satyr, 1d3 nuglub gremlins (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 2 143), or 1d4+1 fauns (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 3 114). At 8th level, the feysworn also gains the ability to use summon monster VIII once per day to conjure 1 bogeyman (Bestiary 3 42), 1d3 nuckelavees (Bestiary 3 203), or 1d4+1 escorites (see page 61). At the GM’s discretion, specific Eldest may allow feysworn who worship them to summon other fey creatures of equal power with this ability.

The second part at level 8 refers to Summon Monster VIII, which is a 8th level spell earliest available to full spellcaster classes (wizard) at CL15. Feysworn level 8 could be reached at character level 13 (5 base class + 8 prestige class), which gives a total CL of 12 (one "dead" caster level). Is the prestige class feat still usable for such a character, since the specifc feat is not exactly "Summon Monster VIII" or must the character wait until he/she can cast the spell normally and then just benefits from the expanded list of monsters to select from? How about classes not having access to Summon Monster like Druids?

Thx in advance for some opions


Summon Fey grants:
At 4th level the ability to cast SM 4 once per day, but the list of monsters allowed to be summoned is a very short list of fey creatures.
At 8th level the same for SM 8.

Note, that in both cases the feysworn does not have to expend any spell slots from an existing caster class. Basically at 4th level the feysworn gets a free spell slot that can only be used to cast SM4 with the specific limitations, and again at 8th.

Note also, that the prestige class prerequisites does not even require that the character has a spell casting class (though it would certainly be sub-optimal to not have a spell casting class). But such a character would still be able to use SM 4/8 as detailed in the summon fey ability.


ThePloppy2 wrote:

Hi all,

I am confused about the "Summon Fey" class feature the Feysworn gets at 8th Prestige Class level.

Realms of the Fey wrote:
Summon Fey (Sp): At 4th level, a feysworn can use summon monster IV once per day to conjure 1 ekekeh (see page 60) or satyr, 1d3 nuglub gremlins (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 2 143), or 1d4+1 fauns (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 3 114). At 8th level, the feysworn also gains the ability to use summon monster VIII once per day to conjure 1 bogeyman (Bestiary 3 42), 1d3 nuckelavees (Bestiary 3 203), or 1d4+1 escorites (see page 61). At the GM’s discretion, specific Eldest may allow feysworn who worship them to summon other fey creatures of equal power with this ability.

The second part at level 8 refers to Summon Monster VIII, which is a 8th level spell earliest available to full spellcaster classes (wizard) at CL15. Feysworn level 8 could be reached at character level 13 (5 base class + 8 prestige class), which gives a total CL of 12 (one "dead" caster level). Is the prestige class feat still usable for such a character, since the specifc feat is not exactly "Summon Monster VIII" or must the character wait until he/she can cast the spell normally and then just benefits from the expanded list of monsters to select from? How about classes not having access to Summon Monster like Druids?

Thx in advance for some opions

If you get an ability that lets you cast a spell without spell slots you use your character level instead of caster level. You are effectively getting a spell-like ability to 1/day summon a fey.

The Exchange

CRB wrote:

A number of classes and creatures gain the use of special abilities, many of which function like spells.

Spell-Like Abilities: Usually, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of that name. A spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus. The user activates it mentally. Armor never affects a spell-like ability’s use, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell with a somatic component.

A spell-like ability has a casting time of 1 standard action unless noted otherwise in the ability or spell description. In all other ways, a spell-like ability functions just like a spell.

Spell-like abilities are subject to spell resistance and dispel magic. They do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated. Spell-like abilities cannot be used to counterspell, nor can they be counterspelled.

Spell-like Abilities (Sp) are a "separate thing."

An 8th-level feysworn can cast summon monster VIII and summon monster IV once per day each as a spell-like ability. (Only for the specific creatures named in the class ability.) It doesn't count as one of your spells, it's just something you can do.

For SMVIII when it matters: it counts as an 8th-level spell with a caster level equal to your caster level. Yes, this means the caster level might be below the normal "minimum." The minimum CL to cast only applies to spells, not spell-like.


Perfect, many thanks for the replies...

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