As the topic says it has always kind of bothered me that fae are linked to the primal tradition, but the primal tradition is arguably the worst for doing fae-stule magic, no invisibility, no suggestions, they get charm at least but thats kind of it, so when you make a fae themed character i think the occult list would be a better fit, do you guys think that would cause any problems?
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Not much. Traditions are supposed to be equivalent. Truth be said, they aren't, but in the great scheme of the game such a change is not supposed to break anything.
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Yeah, as for balance, it shouldn't make much difference.
It will take a bit of work to pick appropriate Bloodline granted spell slot spells. If you let the player do it they are just going to pick the best-of-the-best options in the tradition list rather than the thematically appropriate ones. That will be a bit unbalancing.
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It would probably be more fitting to give them occult spells with a selection of primal spells for the bloodline.
As the topic says it has always kind of bothered me that fae are linked to the primal tradition, but the primal tradition is arguably the worst for doing fae-stule magic, no invisibility, no suggestions, they get charm at least but thats kind of it, so when you make a fae themed character i think the occult list would be a better fit, do you guys think that would cause any problems?
For what it's worth, the Fey Eidolon probably doesn't need the switch since it's level 1 ability is Fey Gifts granting it all of the enchantment and illusion spells from the arcane list.
I tend to agree with breithauptclan and Captain Morgan that if you swap the Fey bloodline to be occult, you'll need to / probably should rework their spells granted. The Fey and Nymph bloodlines already grant a good number of illusion/enchantment spells which makes them more rounded than other primal casters so I'm not sure how specifically necessary a full swap is, but you can certainly do it.
Yep if want to change to Occult due one of these spells the currently like invisibility, suggestions and other illusion/enchantment spells like the bellow you don't need to change the tradition you already have access:
Cantrips: Bullhorn, Ghost Sound, Message, Daze, Infectious Enthusiasm
LvL 1: Color Spray, Illusory Disguise, Illusory Object, Invisible Item, Item Facade, Magic Aura, Thicket of Knives, Agitate, Bane, Bless, Command, Déjà Vu, Draw Ire, Endure, Schadenfreude, Sleep, Befuddle
LvL 2: Befitting Attire, Blur, Illusory Creature, Invisibility, Magic Mouth, Mirror Image, Misdirection, Phantasmal Treasure, Phantom Crowd, Silence, Umbral Extraction, Calm Emotions, Charitable Urge, Hideous Laughter, Touch of Idiocy, Warrior's Regret
LvL 3: Distracting Chatter, Hypnotic Pattern, Invisibility Sphere, Phantom Prison, Secret Page, Shadow Projectile, Agonizing Despair, Dream Message, Enthrall, Heroism, Paralyze, Roaring Applause, Shift Blame, Sudden Recollection, Zone of Truth
LvL 4: Invisibility Curtain, Mirror's Misfortune, Nightmare, Phantasmal Killer, Replicate, Umbral Graft, Veil, Aromatic Lure, Confusion, Dull Ambition, Outcast's Curse, Suggestion
LvL 5: Cloak of Colors, False Vision, Hallucination, Illusory Scene, Mirror Malefactors, Shadow Siphon, Crushing Despair, Dreaming Potential, Subconscious Suggestion
LvL 6: Chromatic Image, Mislead, Phantasmal Calamity, Vibrant Pattern, Dominate, Feeblemind, Zealous Conviction
LvL 7: Project Image, Shadow Raid, Inexhaustible Cynicism, Warp Mind, Power Word Blind, Power Word Stun
LvL 8: Disappearance, Dream Council, Scintillating Pattern, Canticle of Everlasting Grief, Uncontrollable Dance
LvL 9: Unspeakable Shadow, Weird, Shadow Army, Overwhelming Presence, Telepathic Demand, Power Word Kill
Lvl 10: Fabricated Truth
Yes, it's best selection IMO even than druid with Fey Caller.
Actually would Arcane make more sense than occult? It covers a lot of mental tricky stuff while also giving you the elemental goodness to feel nature-y. I can't think of many fey using spells exclusive to the occult list. Throw in a couple woodsy primal only spells from the bloodline and you're in pretty good shape.
Mechanically, yes, the Arcane makes more sense than occult for holidays. But thematically no. Especially evil fairies makes way more sense using occult tradition than arcane.
But as already show before the current way that fairies eidolons works does better, fairies are mainly primal but also uses illusion and enchantment. This fits better in their themes than any isolated school.
Sometimes I think how could be if the same was done to the clerics. If instead of taking 3 spells from another tradition they take a school from another tradition based in their deity instead.
Fey and Nymph sorcerers are still in a bind though.