Willow on Disney+


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Trailer for the new series

I don’t know if they’re including elements from the book series in this (it doesn’t seem like it). As with much else from Disney these days, I find myself cautiously pessimistic. I think I saw Joanne Whalley as an older Sorsha, even though she wasn’t listed on IMDb.


I'm not even CLOSE to pessimistic. I think this will be great. Even better than the Lord of the Rings or Fire and Blood.

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Holy cow!!! I was SO obsessed with this movie when I was a kid.

Looks really interesting, it's nice to be excited about something on D+ that isn't Marvel. My only hope is that it isn't based on the awful sequel novel that was weirdly excessively grimdark but it doesn't seem like it is so that's good.

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DeathQuaker wrote:
My only hope is that it isn't based on the awful sequel novel that was weirdly excessively grimdark but it doesn't seem like it is so that's good.

Indeed. I remember reading at least the first two books. They were….not very good. In my defense, I was 20-something years old, and so quite foolish.


I'm noticing a distinct lack of Val Kilmer in the IMDB full cast list despite the statement all over Google that Madmartigan will be a "major figure" in the series. The article I'm linking seems to suggest nebulous plans to include Mr Kilmer in the future of the series.

Fingers crossed this happens. I'm a fan of his work and the character in the movie. I never read the books so perhaps I have some catching up to do. Bottom line, bring back the prototype of Valeros!


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I'm noticing a distinct lack of Val Kilmer in the IMDB full cast list despite the statement all over Google that Madmartigan will be a "major figure" in the series. The article I'm linking seems to suggest nebulous plans to include Mr Kilmer in the future of the series.

Fingers crossed this happens. I'm a fan of his work and the character in the movie. I never read the books so perhaps I have some catching up to do. Bottom line, bring back the prototype of Valeros!

Val Kilmer's had some major health issues the last few years, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's not able to act any speaking lines. He had throat cancer which necessitates a voice box to speak (according to what I just read on Wikipedia). It looks like he has creative input in the series, and he may get a cameo or something (they have been working on digitally recreating his voice), but he may not have a major acting role.

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Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

I'm noticing a distinct lack of Val Kilmer in the IMDB full cast list despite the statement all over Google that Madmartigan will be a "major figure" in the series. The article I'm linking seems to suggest nebulous plans to include Mr Kilmer in the future of the series.

Fingers crossed this happens. I'm a fan of his work and the character in the movie. I never read the books so perhaps I have some catching up to do. Bottom line, bring back the prototype of Valeros!

From the article you linked:

Comicbook.com, emphasis mine wrote:
However, the first season of the new series won't see Val Kilmer's beloved character Madmartigan return to the fold, but that doesn't mean his fingerprints aren't all over the story. According to the creative team behind the series, Madmartigan is a major factor in the series, and Kilmer will be the only actor to play him if he ever does appear on-screen again.

It sounds very definitively like we will NOT see Madmartigan this season, but that the character's legacy will be extremely visible. It also sounds like they have no plans to recast him, so either if the series continues beyond one season we may see him if Val Kilmer's health improves, or otherwise he will be mentioned but not seen.

I do love and remember Madmartigan fondly and am a fan of Val Kilmer (I'm not sure who I had a bigger crush on back then, him or Joanne Whalley). I pray he recovers and does whatever is best for his health. It sounds like even if he can't return, his impact on the world will not be minimal.


I think Val might get the same kind of thing as Abba, aka digitial avatar and voice dubbed lines.

Also I read the sequel series. It wasn't great, I agree. I don't think though, they are going down that road, based solely on what I saw in the trailer.


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I do love and remember Madmartigan fondly and am a fan of Val Kilmer (I'm not sure who I had a bigger crush on back then, him or Joanne Whalley).

It turns out they had a crush on each other!

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Also, for shows which haven't come out yet, IMDB is often incomplete, since they only have the casting which has been announced. If Val has a cameo they're not talking about ahead of time, it won't be in IMDB until pretty close to the air date.


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Andostre wrote:
Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

I'm noticing a distinct lack of Val Kilmer in the IMDB full cast list despite the statement all over Google that Madmartigan will be a "major figure" in the series. The article I'm linking seems to suggest nebulous plans to include Mr Kilmer in the future of the series.

Fingers crossed this happens. I'm a fan of his work and the character in the movie. I never read the books so perhaps I have some catching up to do. Bottom line, bring back the prototype of Valeros!

Val Kilmer's had some major health issues the last few years, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's not able to act any speaking lines. He had throat cancer which necessitates a voice box to speak (according to what I just read on Wikipedia). It looks like he has creative input in the series, and he may get a cameo or something (they have been working on digitally recreating his voice), but he may not have a major acting role.

Absolute sad face! I hope Val Kilmer is in the best health he can be and makes any and all recovery possible! He was a terrific Batman, I STILL quote Top Secret and Real Genius, and whenever a Huckleberry is called for, Val Kilmer is the only person for the job.

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I remember reading at least the first two books. They were….not very good. In my defense, I was 20-something years old, and so quite foolish.

There were 3 books written by Chris Claremont (writer of X-Men) based on George Lucas's notes for a planned sequel.

Shadow Moon, Shadow Dawn and Shadow Star are the books in the series.
I also only read the first two books so I don't know how it turned out.


I didn't even get far into the first one...Mostly because it felt too dark.

Which is weird considering I enjoy Claremont's work generally.

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I read the first one, which not only didn't mesh at all with the established lore or tone of Willow, but it was BAD, just BAD.

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Wow I am glad I am not the only one who felt that way. And yeah, like JoelF I only read the first one and was so disappointed never looked out for the rest. It was very strange, it indeed felt nothing like the movie itself, took everything that was fun away from it, and really just felt like a different story someone slapped the series name on for hopes that licensing would bring more money. It's the kind of thing that maybe indeed would have been a decent independent fantasy series, but not as a sequel to Willow. Likewise, yeah, Claremont is a great writer but he could have just done it for the money. Every writer needs to eat.


Writers do need money to afford living. And total agreement with DQ that it felt NOTHING like the Willow movie. More like some other fantasy series.

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Full trailer released today at D23. Looks great, I can't wait.

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I didn’t see Madmartigen, which bums me out. I can totally understand why he wouldn’t do it though. It was nice to see Sorsha and Willow. Not sure if I’ll watch it right away. Probably give it a bit of time to see some reviews first.

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I think it's more likely about why he couldn't do it rather than wouldn't do it. Val's health isn't great lately unfortunately.

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Indeed. I thought I read that he can still speak, but it’s very limited and whispery. Anything extensive and he uses a voice box, something that might be difficult to do in a fantasy setting. Still, it might have been cool to have him cameo.


That's what Kilmer did in Maverick, actually.

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Previous reporting on the show has said Val Kilmer is definitely not going to be in it, but the series will definitely feel the presence of Madmartigan through legacy.

Also loved that we saw that one ghost image of Fin Raziel. Such a cool character and played by a great actress (Patricia Hayes, who died in 1998). Seems like all characters who were instrumental to the original I would hope get their props. Including of course the deliciously evil Bavmorda. (Not that we would see her. She was killed in the original and the actress Jean Marsh is I believe not working since she had a stroke a few years ago.).

I'm so happy to see Sorscha! So hard to put into words how much I loved that character and how much she meant to me when I was a kid.

Warwick Davis seems to have picked up where he left off, so glad to see him get this chance to play Willow and in what looks like a kicking adventure.

And I had mixed feelings about the cutesiness of the brownies in the original, but it was still nice to see Franjean again. :)

New cast looks cool too (looks like it includes that gal who played Karli in Falcon and the Winter Soldier). Is the one sort of centrally focused-upon girl supposed to be Elora?


DQ,

No it's actually Sorscha's daughter. She's trying to find her brother. So yeah. Karli's actress is a knight in training and her best friend.

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Ah yes, read the cast list now. Thanks. I had wondered since Sorsha and Madmartigan had adopted her at the end of the movie.

So where's Elora, is she just ruling the land in the background, or I wonder if her absence is part of the plot? I realize in the original film she was largely just a living MacGuffin, but the whole point is she was supposed to be the next queen and usher in an era and peace, so wondering what happened there.


No idea but I'm sure the series will address this, DQ. If only because the fandom demands answers.

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